Irish MEPs are moderately pro-Russian?

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A picture can be worth a thousand words, they say - or in this case nearly 700 votes. And on this frosty winter's morning, what could be more engaging than a map of Europe with the countries colour-coded?

In the last few days, the European Parliament passed a Polish-inspired resolution making pointed references criticizing "Russian disinformation and propaganda warfare" against the European Union. There were 304 votes “For”, 179 “Against” and a very high number of abstentions – 208. There were vast differences in the votes from different countries.

The redder the country, the more it's MEPs opposed the anti-Russian resolution - the greener the country the more they supported. So redder is more pro-Russian, green is more anti.

There are clear georgraphical divisions; with the exception of Bulgaria, every country that was formerly behind the old Iron Curtain backed the anti-Russian vote.

Euractiv: MEPs up draw map of pro- and anti-Russian countries in the EU


 


Truth.ie

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Good to see the EU tackling the big issues that concern ordinary people on the ground.

Never mind Islamic terror, 50% youth unemployment in the south of Europe, hordes of unchecked ne'er do wells crossing the Med......let's discuss what Russians think of the EU.
 

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Jeez this is a whole new level of crazy. Kudos to the French, Portuguese, Italians, Austrians and Greeks for down-voting it.

The looney-toons report on which the resolution is based compares Russian news organisations to ISIL, and says Putins trolls on social media are "challenging democratic values". Heck, they want to see the pro-Fine Gaelers on here :)

Its one thing to say we dont like them Rooskies, but to claim as the report does that Russian propaganda is "damaging the minds of Europeans" is just a step away from "the Communists are stealing our precious bodily fluids."

I guess this has something to do with the popularity of Russia Today. The cold reality is that most of the so-called "dangerous views and information" aired on RT are by presenters, contributors and pundits — westerners, not Russians, and I dont believe they are being handed a script. So its not Russians who will be punished by restrictions on what can be broadcast, but us.

This looks like a last-ditch effort to keep sanctions in place against Russia. How embarrassing for Brussels.
 
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Good to see the EU tackling the big issues that concern ordinary people on the ground.

Never mind Islamic terror, 50% youth unemployment in the south of Europe, hordes of unchecked ne'er do wells crossing the Med......let's discuss what Russians think of the EU.
The resolution does refer to IS but - and you can read the wording yourself here - mentions of "Russia" and "Russian" are somewhat more frequent.

We need to be realistic. The Russians are shilling against the EU. Read RT aka Putin Today.They're obsessed with stories tut-tutting over economic conditions in EU countries like France and Italy when those states have a standard and quality of living that your Muscovite can only dream of, never mind people in Irkutsk or Vladivostock.
 

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The resolution does refer to IS but - and you can read the wording yourself here - mentions of "Russia" and "Russian" are somewhat more frequent.

We need to be realistic. The Russians are shilling against the EU. Read RT aka Putin Today.They're obsessed with stories tut-tutting over economic conditions in EU countries like France and Italy when those states have a standard and quality of living that your Muscovite can only dream of, never mind people in Irkutsk or Vladivostock.
RT is tame compared to what EU citizens are saying in the comments sections of newspapers up and down the Continent.
 

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The resolution does refer to IS but - and you can read the wording yourself here - mentions of "Russia" and "Russian" are somewhat more frequent.

We need to be realistic. The Russians are shilling against the EU. Read RT aka Putin Today.They're obsessed with stories tut-tutting over economic conditions in EU countries like France and Italy when those states have a standard and quality of living that your Muscovite can only dream of, never mind people in Irkutsk or Vladivostock.
Well maybe they are right?

There was an Italian "Yes" supporter on BBC2 last night saying (essentially) the EU has to move away from being austerity driven or its going to fail. the Russkies could have a point.
 

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The idea that voting against a resolution to vilify an external country instead of addressing internal issues is pro-Russian?

This is similar rhetoric to Ukraine where everybody who criticizes the government is a 'Putin agent'.

A Ukrainian activist who posts about Ukraine: https://www.facebook.com/krovalevichdt?fref=ts
 

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A picture can be worth a thousand words, they say - or in this case nearly 700 votes. And on this frosty winter's morning, what could be more engaging than a map of Europe with the countries colour-coded?

In the last few days, the European Parliament passed a Polish-inspired resolution making pointed references criticizing "Russian disinformation and propaganda warfare" against the European Union. There were 304 votes “For”, 179 “Against” and a very high number of abstentions – 208. There were vast differences in the votes from different countries.

The redder the country, the more it's MEPs opposed the anti-Russian resolution - the greener the country the more they supported. So redder is more pro-Russian, green is more anti.

There are clear georgraphical divisions; with the exception of Bulgaria, every country that was formerly behind the old Iron Curtain backed the anti-Russian vote.

Euractiv: MEPs up draw map of pro- and anti-Russian countries in the EU


Don't forget the Provos/SF recognise a vicious when they see one. Athaníon ciaróg ciaróg eile.
 

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This nonsense was debated in the Commons the other day after pressure from the extreme right-wing Neocon think tank: the Henry Jackson Society.

Tensions with Russia keeps the arms industry flush, and it pays the wages of such nutters.

A very dangerous game...
What attracts you to the kleptocrat who has had 200 journalists murdered ?
 
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The latest wheeze from the tolerant liberal elites.
Just call something that you disagree with as "misinformation" and ban it.
Its all gone Orwellian in Europe.
LiveLeak.com - French MPs vote to ban ?misinformation? anti-abortion websites
If the examples I've seen here in Ireland are anything to go by, I'd wholeheartedly agree with the ban. It's a deeply sensitive issue and pro-life lobby groups should not be targeting vulnerable women with lies.

Anyway, this thread isn't about abortion.
 
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Well maybe they are right?

There was an Italian "Yes" supporter on BBC2 last night saying (essentially) the EU has to move away from being austerity driven or its going to fail. the Russkies could have a point.
It doesn't matter whether they're right or wrong. It's about what they choose to report on.

Russia Today doesn't report on the dire economic situation in Russia - which is kind of startling. It's vast territory and enormous natural resources should make it the envy of the world. Instead, it's still a basket case where life expectancy is several years below places like Bangladesh and the Gaza Strip....!

But no.....Russia Today instead focuses on unemployment in Italy.

There's an agenda there for anyone willing to see it.
 

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Jayzis... Maewyn must be turning in his grave seeing Ireland coloured all orange.

Between the bridges, however, will be happy.
 
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The idea that voting against a resolution to vilify an external country instead of addressing internal issues is pro-Russian?

This is similar rhetoric to Ukraine where everybody who criticizes the government is a 'Putin agent'.

A Ukrainian activist who posts about Ukraine: https://www.facebook.com/krovalevichdt?fref=ts
The line from some folks here is that those who voted it are anti-Russian. So, by corollary....

People who try to address internal issues in Russia often end up with a life expectancy even lower than their compatriots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

Or at least in prison.
https://cpj.org/2015/01/imprisoned-russian-journalist-sentenced-to-new-thr.php
https://advox.globalvoices.org/2016/06/08/russian-blogger-arrested-after-helping-us-journalists-report-on-olympic-real-estate-in-sochi/
 

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On the other hand it is only the European Parliament, which has the sole function of making Nigel Farage look good.
 

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Most Western media outlets highlight internal problems in their own countries. They don't just focus on those in other countries.
Right... but what has that got to do with the fact that they all have agendas?
 


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