Irish Naval Service to get new ships

boldfenianman

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Todays Indo. Tenders invited for 3 new ships for INS + options fpr 2 more. 2 older vessels to be retired in 2010. Only reason I bring this up is because 2 of the vessels ( 1 definite + 1 option) are to be the largest vessels in the history of the INS. I have always thought the INS was too small for an island nation with such huge territorial seas and UN commitments and the like. Not to mention the rapidly expanding merchant fleet to protect in dodgy parts of the world as other nations of Irelands size already do for their merchant fleets. Perhaps someone in a position to influence matters finally agrees with me!!! Its hardly as if we cant afford it. Anyone out there with knowledge of these matters care to expand ?
 


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I think this is one of the new state of the art ships the Irish "navy" are going to purchase.

The Irish "navy" is an international laughing stock. :lol:
 

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Say what you like about the Irish navy but no other navy provides this level of camouflage for its troops with their landing craft.

 

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The Irish "navy" is an international laughing stock. :lol:[/quote] Is it? I wouldnt have thought so really. Seems quite professional to me. Just too darned small. I know some of the current fllet have been around the world though!
 

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boldfenianman said:
Its hardly as if we cant afford it. Anyone out there with knowledge of these matters care to expand ?
We can't afford to build new schools, so children up and down the Country are sitting in cold, damp, rat infested 19th century buildings, or 20th Century portakabins, with, in some cases, outside lavvys.

And you think we need shiny new expensive playthings for some of our civil servants? :roll:
 

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SPN said:
boldfenianman said:
Its hardly as if we cant afford it. Anyone out there with knowledge of these matters care to expand ?
We can't afford to build new schools, so children up and down the Country are sitting in cold, damp, rat infested 19th century buildings, or 20th Century portakabins, with, in some cases, outside lavvys.

And you think we need shiny new expensive playthings for some of our civil servants? :roll:

Thats right - don't let us ape British Imperialism.
 

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SPN said:
boldfenianman said:
Its hardly as if we cant afford it. Anyone out there with knowledge of these matters care to expand ?

We can't afford to build new schools, so children up and down the Country are sitting in cold, damp, rat infested 19th century buildings,
or 20th Century portakabins, with, in some cases, outside lavvys.

And you think we need shiny new expensive playthings for some of our civil servants? :roll:

I'm not trying to be an ass here, but I've never seen nor heard of a 110/120/130 year old damp rat infested Primary school...

Maybe we just have it good in Meath.

As for the laughing stock comment hardly, it's merely a small navy.



Being small hardly constitutes a laughing stock.

Good to see these new ships, as one poster said it's not as if wer can't afford it.

L.E Eithne the Navy's Flagship.

 

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Why not, buy some old 1960's war ships from the U.S., and just put modern computer systems in them.
 

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These are mainly to replace existing stock, I think. Surely we should be expanding too? Given how huge the area of sea that we claim is, along with the propensity for shoals of cocaine to come bobbing to the surface off the west coast?
 

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}IknowurbutwhatamI{ said:

I think this is one of the new state of the art ships the Irish "navy" are going to purchase.

The Irish "navy" is an international laughing stock. :lol:
It's far better than the Swiss Navy though.
 

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The same people who deride the size and equipment of Ireland's Military Forces, would be amongst the first to scream with outrage if the government proposed to spend the money to expand and properly equip our Forces.
 

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Our navy should be vastly expanded.

It should have three main areas of operation.

1) Fishery Protection.

This can be carried out adequetly by having at least nine vessels of the Niamh class with the Eithne as its lead vessel.

2) Inshore and costal waters and River patrol.

We need at least ten small partol boats with limited oceon gong capability for this vital service currently not covered as drugs are a major problem.

3) Home Defence.

Four Meko 100 class frigates to provide some Naval muscle as they can be armed with anti Ship and aircraft missiles. Also the much anticipated Multi role vessel as Flagship. Not forgetting protecting all those oil rigs that will soon pop up.

This vessel should be of the Amsterdam LPD class of vessel in order to provide a real aid to our forces and a major help in humanatirian aid.

These vessels have mini hospitals onboard as well as helicopter deck for medivac.

That would be an adequet Navy for Ireland
 

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jjacollins said:
Our navy should be vastly expanded.

It should have three main areas of operation.

1) Fishery Protection.

This can be carried out adequetly by having at least nine vessels of the Niamh class with the Eithne as its lead vessel.

2) Inshore and costal waters and River patrol.

We need at least ten small partol boats with limited oceon gong capability for this vital service currently not covered as drugs are a major problem.

3) Home Defence.

Four Meko 100 class frigates to provide some Naval muscle as they can be armed with anti Ship and aircraft missiles. Also the much anticipated Multi role vessel as Flagship. Not forgetting protecting all those oil rigs that will soon pop up.

This vessel should be of the Amsterdam LPD class of vessel in order to provide a real aid to our forces and a major help in humanatirian aid.

These vessels have mini hospitals onboard as well as helicopter deck for medivac.

That would be an adequet Navy for Ireland
Points 1 and 2 are very valid. As for defence - forget it. Anyone thinking of having a go could take out our navy within an hour even if we buy forty frigates. If the worst comes to the worst, we'll just have to rely on the Yanks to protect us.
 

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our navy, unlike our other military forces has a day to day practical use, the amount of revenue we would lose without the navy's fishing protection duties and the amount of social harm which could be done to the country without the anti-drug smuggling role of the navy far exceeds the cxost of the fleet.......theccosts of not having a navy far exceed the costs of having one
 

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The same Yanks who can't defeat the insurgents in Iraq?

Anybody who invades Ireland will be defetead by a guerilla army. Remember that the capacity to wage war isn't just about military capability. The people have to support the military. Once popular support disappears the war is lost, sooner or later.

The US didn't lose the Vietnam War primarily because they didn't have the capacity to defeat their enemies militarily. They lost because they couldn't commit all their forces to Vietnam, and because the US public eventually stopped supporting the wer.
 

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fergalr said:
These are mainly to replace existing stock, I think. Surely we should be expanding too? Given how huge the area of sea that we claim is, along with the propensity for shoals of cocaine to come bobbing to the surface off the west coast?
What, Is our shore line getting bigger?

If we had a hundred thousand navy frigates we still wouldn't be able to provide a comprehensive patrol of the Irish coast. Spending 20 billion on a slightly bigger navy under the pretext that we need to catch drug dealers would be an exercise in utter futility. Does Ireland want to become a paid up soldier in the 'war on drugs'? (if we spent that money on better education and drug rehabilitation facilities, it would have a far better effect than trying to reduce supply)
 

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}IknowurbutwhatamI{ said:

I think this is one of the new state of the art ships the Irish "navy" are going to purchase.

The Irish "navy" is an international laughing stock. :lol:
Is it? Where exactly? Please give link as it seems a little harsh.
 

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Just out of curiosity I looked up the ships of the Danish Navy. Denmark is about the same size of economy and population as Ireland, is almost an island and has a view to the Atlantic. They have over 40 ships to our 10 , after this expansion. I leave out the ice-breakers and their royal yacht. ( no place for that in our republic). I suppose being that bit closer to Russia might have a bearing. Anyway I have given this some thought recently. I think that with our new wealth we could do a lot of good in the world. Not like the Brits borrowing £15 Billion to buy new carriers in a sad attempt to keep up with the yanks. No. I would like to see us build/buy a fleet under the auspices of the Irish Naval Service comprising 3 hospital ships and associated transport and escorts and have them on permanent station around the world. Say one flotilla each in the general areas of Africa, Asia and S America. To assist in natural disasters as in Peru last week. All government aid to be scrapped and concentrated in these ships which I think would do a damn sight more good than buying some dictator a new Merc. Private aid such as Trocaire would of course continue but I think we could be of more use my way.
 


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