Irish nurses unions' virtual closed shop against nursing assistants and associate professionals

Patslatt1

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Full support for the nurses strike action next Wednesday
Even though the average Irish nurses' pay is about 40% higher than the UK's? Your generosity with taxpayers' money is champagne socialism and very impractical.
 


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Even though the average Irish nurses' pay is about 40% higher than the UK's? Your generosity with taxpayers' money is champagne socialism and very impractical.
Why do nurses from the North not come south to work , surely the 40% pay rise should make it very attractive.

Why do Irsh nurses go and work in the UK where they claim to have better pay and conditions, but Pat says they earn 40% less.

Not the sharpest tool, our Pat.
 

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Why do nurses from the North not come south to work , surely the 40% pay rise should make it very attractive.

Why do Irsh nurses go and work in the UK where they claim to have better pay and conditions, but Pat says they earn 40% less.

Not the sharpest tool, our Pat.
Come on Massey Ferguson you're fooling nobody here. Admit that your touching concern for the nurses is entirely based on the fact that a payrise for them will have knock on effects for others in the health sector.

Basically you are feigning concern for the nurses in the hope that you will profit personally in the future. Dearie me.

Dont UK nurses work in NZ/Oz? Maybe the NHS should increase salaries further, then we could increases nurses salaries, then our medical consultants would be entitled to a similar pay rise.

Sign up as an irish nurse today, third world services for 1st world salaries.
 

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This extremely restrictive trade union practice above (see stats in Healthcare personnel statistics - nursing and caring professionals - Statistics Explained ) may be modified,likely at a snailpace to prolong registered nurses' closed shop in hospital jobs. The closed shop concept largely disappeared in UK factories in the 1980s. Where have hospital managers been on this issue which interferes with management's prerogative to manage?

After three years of bureaucratic shuffle on research, it was concluded that an 80/20 ratio of Irish nurses to nurses assistants is optimal for patient care. But is it 80/20 in all hospital departments?

In the private sector, managers would check with their contacts who have information on the various ratios in the best hospitals internationally and run with that. Maybe they would take a few months at most to decide,making a final decision based on trial and error.

Given that the UK employs about a million nurses assistants, that suggests Ireland could employ 72,000 of them instead of about 27,000 at present. Of course, that would make a big dent in recruitment of nurses. The UK also has about 98,000 associate professional nurses which is equivalent to about 8,000 for Ireland which has none.
yawn! ,Boring!,tedium beyond belief, repetitive bore, FFS lighten up and Get a Life, you bag of misery and boredom.
 

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Come on Massey Ferguson you're fooling nobody here. Admit that your touching concern for the nurses is entirely based on the fact that a payrise for them will have knock on effects for others in the health sector.

Basically you are feigning concern for the nurses in the hope that you will profit personally in the future. Dearie me.

Dont UK nurses work in NZ/Oz? Maybe the NHS should increase salaries further, then we could increases nurses salaries, then our medical consultants would be entitled to a similar pay rise.

Sign up as an irish nurse today, third world services for 1st world salaries.
Spot on, nothing to do with having to work on understaffed wards , where most of the nurses are agency nurses , or in theatres with cases cancelled because there are not theatre nurses, or no ICU beds available because there is no nursing staff, or loosing the best nurses because they are burnt out.
It's all about me.:rolleyes2:
 

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Spot on, nothing to do with having to work on understaffed wards , where most of the nurses are agency nurses , or in theatres with cases cancelled because there are not theatre nurses, or no ICU beds available because there is no nursing staff, or loosing the best nurses because they are burnt out.
It's all about me.:rolleyes2:
Come on massey ferguson , Leo would be embarrassed by that evasion, answer the question !!

Would a payrise for nurses that led to pay increases for other health care workers likely improve the financial position of you or your family in the future?

Massey ferguson = selfless advocate and hero of the nurse , cumbya ya , we shall overcome
 

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Spot on, nothing to do with having to work on understaffed wards , where most of the nurses are agency nurses , or in theatres with cases cancelled because there are not theatre nurses, or no ICU beds available because there is no nursing staff, or loosing the best nurses because they are burnt out.
It's all about me.:rolleyes2:
The nurses union are Blocking the introduction of The grade of "Theatre Assistances" in an effort to control their turf.
Burnt out,? They only work a 37.5 hour week .
You do realize most of those "Agency Nurses" would be the same nurses who just finished their shift, and refused an offer of overtime from the ward manager.
 

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The nurses union are Blocking the introduction of The grade of "Theatre Assistances" in an effort to control their turf.
Burnt out,? They only work a 37.5 hour week .
You do realize most of those "Agency Nurses" would be the same nurses who just finished their shift, and refused an offer of overtime from the ward manager.
Massey is consistent in supporting all public sector payrise in the hope it will improve his own financial position in the future.
 

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Come on massey ferguson , Leo would be embarrassed by that evasion, answer the question !!

Would a payrise for nurses that led to pay increases for other health care workers likely improve the financial position of you or your family in the future?

Massey ferguson = selfless advocate and hero of the nurse , cumbya ya , we shall overcome
Sorry I had not realised it was a question.

Yes , clearly I think that paying nurses more will be benificail to me and make me rich beyond my wildest dreams, ............darn you ruman and pat slatt it it was not for you and your super intelligence. I could have gotton away with it!!
 

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Sorry I had not realised it was a question.

Yes , clearly I think that paying nurses more will be benificail to me and make me rich beyond my wildest dreams, ............darn you ruman and pat slatt it it was not for you and your super intelligence. I could have gotton away with it!!
Massey Ferguson you are fully aware that pay increases for nurses will lead to further claims from other health care workers.

I note that you continue to refuse to answer whether pay rises in other areas of the health service will improve your own financial position. Your insults are simply an embarrasingly transparent attempt to deflect attention from the fact that your only motivation here is personal greed.
 

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Massey Ferguson you are fully aware that pay increases for nurses will lead to further claims from other health care workers.

I note that you continue to refuse to answer whether pay rises in other areas of the health service will improve your own financial position. Your insults are simply an embarrasingly transparent attempt to deflect attention from the fact that your only motivation here is personal greed.
I admitted it,,........... Please, please dont report me.
 

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If the govt has excess funds it should reduce taxation which would benefit all workers. This is preferable to simply increasing salaries for already well paid overentitled vested interest groups with persecution complexes.
 

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If the govt has excess funds it should reduce taxation which would benefit all workers. This is preferable to simply increasing salaries for already well paid overentitled vested interest groups with persecution complexes.
In fairness that's what haughey and Mcsharry did. And it worked very well.
 

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In fairness that's what haughey and Mcsharry did. And it worked very well.
Absolutely it also lessens the chance of further increasing the cost of living and rendering us uncompetitive in international terms.

We should not be prioratising the needs of one set of workers over those of the general population.
 

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If the govt has excess funds it should reduce taxation which would benefit all workers. This is preferable to simply increasing salaries for already well paid overentitled vested interest groups with persecution complexes.
Well put ruman, if the public sector does not like it .........well ..they can leave.

Dat 'll teach them.
 

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Well put ruman, if the public sector does not like it .........well ..they can leave.

Dat 'll teach them.
Like what exactly Massey ferguson paying less tax?

Rather then reduce taxation for the whole population you would prefer to simply increase salaries for you and your colleagues. As i said personal greed is your only motivation on here.
 


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