Irish nurses unions' virtual closed shop against nursing assistants and associate professionals

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The trade union leadership are highly paid unelected bureaucrats who are completely inter-twined with the political establishment in this country through social partnership over the past 30+ years.

The Socialist Party campaigns for the election of all full-time trade union officials and for those officials to be paid the wage of the people they are elected to represent.



Should that not be up to the different union memberships that their full time officials should be paid only so much.

The INMO official said tonight on the news that they would be recomending that the deal be accepted.
 


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Should that not be up to the different union memberships that their full time officials should be paid only so much.

The INMO official said tonight on the news that they would be recomending that the deal be accepted.
Phil 150k?
 

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Get away. Socialists want front line ps workers better paid? And you say they would tax the ritch to do so? Thats astonishing.

While you are on this roll, anything on where bears defecate or what religion the pope is?

Trouble is:- with Socialism it wouldn't be just the 'ritch' sic who would
end up paying all the super tax, would it?? :sneaky:
 

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So, nurses sorted? Now time for:

Teachers
Military
Garda
Public Administration
HSE staff
Doctors

Did I miss anyone?

Fellow workers/taxpayers? Brace yourself and prepare your purses.
Well, looks like it might be worth a try for many PS sectors. This minority government does look prone to cracking. OK, the bus driver's strike was a bit of a flop (though I suspect Dublin Bus not being involved and hence Dublin not really affected was part of the failure there; what did it matter to most of the media that some people in Cork and Galway were a bit discommoded?). However, the Garda protest was successful. They were cannier than the nurses; doing their protest (publicity about Garda children living on cornflakes, poor trainees on €22k and Gardaí living out of their cars) and getting pay rise just a week or two before the pay commission report came out on them (where we learned anyone barely even out of Templemore was on at least €30k and average pay was €70k). Nurses got something too. Two out three in terms of protests isn't bad. I reckon it'll be the army next, which tends to be a bit lower paid (low forties in terms of pay rather than the more usual 50k PS average).
 

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Well, looks like it might be worth a try for many PS sectors. This minority government does look prone to cracking. OK, the bus driver's strike was a bit of a flop (though I suspect Dublin Bus not being involved and hence Dublin not really affected was part of the failure there; what did it matter to most of the media that some people in Cork and Galway were a bit discommoded?). However, the Garda protest was successful. They were cannier than the nurses; doing their protest (publicity about Garda children living on cornflakes, poor trainees on €22k and Gardaí living out of their cars) and getting pay rise just a week or two before the pay commission report came out on them (where we learned anyone barely even out of Templemore was on at least €30k and average pay was €70k). Nurses got something too. Two out three in terms of protests isn't bad. I reckon it'll be the army next, which tends to be a bit lower paid (low forties in terms of pay rather than the more usual 50k PS average).
Hmm not sure about that. Impending Brexit and the current financial throes at the NCH project say they'll get short shrift.
 

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Hmm not sure about that. Impending Brexit and the current financial throes at the NCH project say they'll get short shrift.
Well, we may well very soon see some kind of last minute fudge/solution to the Brexit chicken game (you'll have a point if we go over the cliff). If so, I'd say game on. Either way, a world economic downturn is probably due sooner than later, so good time to try to get some pay rises while the going is still good.
 

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Well, we may well very soon see some kind of last minute fudge/solution to the Brexit chicken game (you'll have a point if we go over the cliff). If so, I'd say game on. Either way, a world economic downturn is probably due sooner than later, so good time to try to get some pay rises while the going is still good.
This looks very specific to the nurses. Some unions may think they can chance their arm but far better off waiting till the end of this deal.
 

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This looks very specific to the nurses. Some unions may think they can chance their arm but far better off waiting till the end of this deal.
Maybe, but assuming some kind of Brexit fudge, it'll look like something worth trying with at least one test group. Might not succeed but probably worth the attempt. In some ways, the army would be a good test case. They are genuinely somewhat lower paid (though not exactly terribly remunerated relative to other armies) and may generate some public sympathy (allusions to their humanitarian peace-keeping work in Lebanon etc.). However, one downside is an army strike wouldn't really be disruptive; whose lives will really be impacted if they don't show up to their army barracks?
 

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Well, looks like it might be worth a try for many PS sectors. This minority government does look prone to cracking. OK, the bus driver's strike was a bit of a flop (though I suspect Dublin Bus not being involved and hence Dublin not really affected was part of the failure there; what did it matter to most of the media that some people in Cork and Galway were a bit discommoded?). However, the Garda protest was successful. They were cannier than the nurses; doing their protest (publicity about Garda children living on cornflakes, poor trainees on €22k and Gardaí living out of their cars) and getting pay rise just a week or two before the pay commission report came out on them (where we learned anyone barely even out of Templemore was on at least €30k and average pay was €70k). Nurses got something too. Two out three in terms of protests isn't bad. I reckon it'll be the army next, which tends to be a bit lower paid (low forties in terms of pay rather than the more usual 50k PS average).
The UK and American military are paupers compared to the Irish military.
 

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Maybe, but assuming some kind of Brexit fudge, it'll look like something worth trying with at least one test group. Might not succeed but probably worth the attempt. In some ways, the army would be a good test case. They are genuinely somewhat lower paid (though not exactly terribly remunerated relative to other armies) and may generate some public sympathy (allusions to their humanitarian peace-keeping work in Lebanon etc.). However, one downside is an army strike wouldn't really be disruptive; whose lives will really be impacted if they don't show up to their army barracks?
INTOLERABLE MILITARY STRIKE
The army is the last line of defence against potential rebellion and there is a compelling need to prevent even the slightest hint of army mutiny. An army strike would undermine the respect for law and order on which states are founded.

Police strikes are permitted in some European countries in decentralised police forces where some of the forces are allowed to strike while others keep watch. If garda strikes are legislated as requires under EU law, the force will have to be decentralised into separate national and regional forces, which might be more efficient than the present overcentralised system.
 
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