Irish peat burning five times worse per head than Brazil's rain forest fires

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Brazil's population of 200 million is more than 40 times the Irish Republic's population. According to environmental science expert Cara Augustenborg on Newstalk today, peat burning in Ireland causes as much carbon dioxide emissions in eight years as the rain forest fires in Brazil that have alarmed the world because of the key role of this forest in absorbing global emissions of CO2. Just on those two sets of figures,per head of population Ireland is doing about 5 times more CO2 emissions than Brazil.
Despite this environmental irresponsibility, the Irish government announced it would veto the Mercosur trade agreement with Brazil if it didn't preserve its rain forest. This is a really hypocritical political stance that is largely motivated to protect Irish beef cattle farmers from competition from the trade agreement quota of Brazilian beef. At present, most Brazilian beef cattle are raised in the northeast of Brazil where introduction of an African variety of grass converted millions of arid acres to grassland for cattle.

Before Ireland carries out the threat of a veto on Mercosur, peat burning should be phased out quickly.
 
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Have you taken any thugs on a bus yet ?
 

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Almost all used for electricity generation so it would be easy to reduce. The usual problem of the needs of a rural area being prioritised. What hotels and pubs use to have a homely fire burning would not add up to much consumption.
 

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Brazil's population of 200 million is more than 40 times the Irish Republic's population. According to environmental science expert Cara Augustenborg on Newstalk today, peat burning in Ireland causes as much carbon dioxide emissions in eight years as the rain forest fires in Brazil that have alarmed the world because of the key role of this forest in absorbing global emissions of CO2. Just on those two sets of figures,per head of population Ireland is doing about 10 times more CO2 emissions than Brazil.
Despite this environmental irresponsibility, the Irish government announced it would veto the Mercosur trade agreement with Brazil if it didn't preserve its rain forest. This is a really hypocritical political stance that is largely motivated to protect Irish beef cattle farmers from competition from the trade agreement quota of Brazilian beef. At present, most Brazilian beef cattle are raised in the northeast of Brazil where introduction of an African variety of grass converted millions of arid acres to grassland for cattle.

Before Ireland carries out the threat of a veto on Mercosur, peat burning should be phased out quickly.
just another over educated science clown trying to make an impression on the so called under educated people ireland has been burning turf for how long now and if it is as harmful as that genius says how in the world are we all not dead in ireland yet
 

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ireland has been burning turf for how long now and if it is as harmful as that genius says how in the world are we all not dead in ireland yet
The question is scale. When people cut turf by hand and burnt it domestically, there was time for the environment to heal any damage done. Its like when forest fires occur naturally, any damage will be healed. The problems arise when the damage is done on an industrial scale. The best example of overdoing something is what happened to the cod fisheries off Newfoundland which were fished for 500 years before being wiped out in 20 years by modern trawlers.
 

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just another over educated science clown trying to make an impression on the so called under educated people ireland has been burning turf for how long now and if it is as harmful as that genius says how in the world are we all not dead in ireland yet
Your Offaly county has useless Bord Na Mona facilities that rely on ESB subsidies to survive, a relic of DeValera's Ireland.
 

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The question is scale. When people cut turf by hand and burnt it domestically, there was time for the environment to heal any damage done. Its like when forest fires occur naturally, any damage will be healed. The problems arise when the damage is done on an industrial scale. The best example of overdoing something is what happened to the cod fisheries off Newfoundland which were fished for 500 years before being wiped out in 20 years by modern trawlers.
Cod has revived in recent years there after near destrucion in the 1970s.Meanwhile, lobster populations boomed in the absence of their predator cod. So lobster must now be a routine dish instead of a luxury.
 

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Two questions.

The amount of deoxygenation of the atmosphere produced by turf and its absorption of CO2?

The numbers of endangered and/or undiscovered species threatened by peat burning?
 
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Your Offaly county has useless Bord Na Mona facilities that rely on ESB subsidies to survive, a relic of DeValera's Ireland.
what other ways of producing electricity were available at the time and also if you want fresh air you would have to go out to the country despite all the turf burning why is that.
 

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The question is scale. When people cut turf by hand and burnt it domestically, there was time for the environment to heal any damage done. Its like when forest fires occur naturally, any damage will be healed. The problems arise when the damage is done on an industrial scale. The best example of overdoing something is what happened to the cod fisheries off Newfoundland which were fished for 500 years before being wiped out in 20 years by modern trawlers.
it doesnt matter if the turf was cut by hand or by machine the same amount of turf is being burned for years and i def think there are a lot of con jobs with this co2 crack there is an old saying believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.
 

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Your Offaly county has useless Bord Na Mona facilities that rely on ESB subsidies to survive, a relic of DeValera's Ireland.
Do elaborate on how wind power would survive in this country without the direct subsidies through the REFIT system, and indirect subsidies including carbon tax, and massive supporting public infrastructure spend.
 
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it doesnt matter if the turf was cut by hand or by machine the same amount of turf is being burned for years and i def think there are a lot of con jobs with this co2 crack there is an old saying believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.
If you're starting position is going to be, "don't believe the science", well there is not going to be much to discuss really
 

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The amount offered to brazil really is a colonial measure, and unusually i find myself agreeing with bolsonaro on that.

$20m "to help" but they will be told what to do by the G7.

The brasilian economy is about $ 2 trillion pa, so 20m is an insultingly small 1/10,000th pin prick that must be seen as virtue signalling by the G7 for their press corps. As the man sez, go figure.

If there was a G10, brazil would be in it.


 

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Two questions.

The amount of oxygenation of the atmosphere produced by turf and its absorption of CO2?

The numbers of endangered and/or undiscovered species threatened by peat burning?
The biodiversity hit in taking out tracts of rainforests is incalculable.

Burning peat on an industrial basis is a terrible idea now. In fact it was clear, 30 years ago .
 

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Brazil's population of 200 million is more than 40 times the Irish Republic's population. According to environmental science expert Cara Augustenborg on Newstalk today, peat burning in Ireland causes as much carbon dioxide emissions in eight years as the rain forest fires in Brazil that have alarmed the world because of the key role of this forest in absorbing global emissions of CO2. Just on those two sets of figures,per head of population Ireland is doing about 5 times more CO2 emissions than Brazil.
Despite this environmental irresponsibility, the Irish government announced it would veto the Mercosur trade agreement with Brazil if it didn't preserve its rain forest. This is a really hypocritical political stance that is largely motivated to protect Irish beef cattle farmers from competition from the trade agreement quota of Brazilian beef. At present, most Brazilian beef cattle are raised in the northeast of Brazil where introduction of an African variety of grass converted millions of arid acres to grassland for cattle.

Before Ireland carries out the threat of a veto on Mercosur, peat burning should be phased out quickly.
Brazil's emissions was always the weak spot of the Mercosur agreement. And Ireland are right to use it against them. They deserve it.

And it is not hypocritical ... just multiply by the population of Brazil and Ireland to get the total emissions.

Ireland should, of course, phase out turf cutting and turf bring, for ecological and climate reasons, as soon as possible.
 

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The biodiversity hit in taking out tracts of rainforests is incalculable.

Burning peat on an industrial basis is a terrible idea now. In fact it was clear, 30 years ago .
I think that focussing on turf while all of this is going on is daft.

Trying to find a correlation between the burning of turf and the burning of the Amazon is just banannas.

And yes 'I know,' before some smarty arse turns up to point out that banannas are not a native Matto Grosso species
 

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I think that focussing on turf while all of this is going on is daft.

Trying to find a correlation between the burning of turf and the burning of the Amazon is just banannas.

And yes 'I know,' before some smarty arse turns up to point out that banannas are not a native Matto Grosso species
Its a fine bit of distraction though.

When you were footing the turf, as a kid,you were actually being co-opted groomed and abused, by planet rapists. Stop defending and minimising what they did to you.

I think I just broke the Irish internet.
 

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Its a fine bit of distraction though.

When you were footing the turf, as a kid,you were actually being co-opted groomed and abused, by planet rapists. Stop defending and minimising what they did to you.

I think I just broke the Irish internet.
I'm more concerned that I misspelt bananas twice and nobody cared. The Christian Brothers were long in decline before these people were allowed to comment.
 


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