Irish Times Naming and Shaming Landlords - Are they Right?

YesSireeeBob

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Homeowner renting 16 beds in three rooms for up to

The Irish Times reports today that a landlord in Portobello in Dublin city centre is renting out 16 Beds in 3 rooms @ €445 pm, so he's making €7,120 pm or €85,440 a year.

If this is per calendar month the tenants are paying €102 a week to live in the centre of Dublin and if they work / socialise in the city centre they'll have little or no transport costs.

Although there are 16 people living there, the house doesn't sound too bad:

3 upstairs bedrooms *** Open layout kitchen / living room *** 1 bathroom *** 1 ensuite bathroom *** 1 toilet *** Garden

These tenants are young people so they will be out at work or socialising most of the time.
And paying €100 a week they will be able to save a bit of money.
The people renting here saw what they were getting, knew it was cheap and if they wanted better accommodation they knew they could stay there for a while and use it as a base to find better accommodation.
They surely knew if they they went further out from the city centre they would find better places to rent.

So, what's the Irish Time's problem here and why did they publish the name the landlord?
They even say he is not breaching any tenancy rights, so why print a private citizen's name?

Although there is clear overcrowding in the house, Mr McElwee is not breaching any tenancy rights. As he lives in the house, he is exempt from landlord-tenant legislation.
The landlord does not come across well in this piece, but then we don't hear his side of the story so we don't get the full story.

Poor journalism from the Times- it seems to part of a campaign they're running to get more rights for tenants who rent a room in someone's home.
In an article the other day, the Times informs us that "Renters with live-in landlords have few rights, experts warn" and they want the same rights for tenants with live in landlords as normal tenants.
How many people would be on the streets if the Government brought that in - imagine having someone living in your house rent free while the tenant brought a case to the PRTB.
Then the rental crises would really take off.


 


mr_anderson

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It will only serve a purpose if the papers tie it to the governments purposeful blocking of new builds.
If you increase supply then rents shoot down and you no longer have to have 16 people sharing a 3 bed.

Government policy has been to artificially increase the build cost of property.
The lack of credit (which is a good thing!) is preventing borrowers from overpaying.

The government needs to reduce the cost of building.
It's that simple.

Funny how they like to tie in the reduced VAT given to the hospitality sector and it's subsequent recovery yet refuse to make a similar link on housing.
 

Catalpast

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If you increase supply then rents shoot down and you no longer have to have 16 people sharing a 3 bed.

If you limit immigration then the demand drops

Who seriously thinks that the people in these New Tenements

- are not primarily foreigners?
 

PeaceGoalie

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Seems like one of those hostels that plague the city. Of course, if these bums stayed in their own country, it would be problem solved.
 

mr_anderson

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If you increase supply then rents shoot down and you no longer have to have 16 people sharing a 3 bed.

If you limit immigration then the demand drops

Who seriously thinks that the people in these New Tenements

- are not primarily foreigners?

True.
But then you also have Irish students in similar conditions.
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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Seems like one of those hostels that plague the city. Of course, if these bums stayed in their own country, it would be problem solved.
As the Perth landlords say about the Irish.

Rental Agencies are not as willing to rent properties to Irish people here in Perth, as they are getting destroyed during parties, and being left in terrible conditions once vacated.
Notice from Western Australia Police
 

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Total exploitation. Only allowed one Laundry load per week. Is he running a prison camp...
hopefully the revenue will be very interested in Mr McElwee.
 

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Don't agree with the shaming approach but it is an extreme case. As an aside I heard Ronan Lyons on MI and he seemed to suggest that the overall cost of apartment blocks builds means that developers will not make their money back. Unfortunately, he had no idea why.
 

PeaceGoalie

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As the Perth landlords say about the Irish.
|Many feral Irish in Oz. Lucky for us.

Total exploitation. Only allowed one Laundry load per week. Is he running a prison camp...
hopefully the revenue will be very interested in Mr McElwee.
Rationing is necessary to avoid anarchy.

Don't agree with the shaming approach but it is an extreme case. As an aside I heard Ronan Lyons on MI and he seemed to suggest that the overall cost of apartment blocks builds means that developers will not make their money back. Unfortunately, he had no idea why.
Years ago in Sinn Fein, before the Official/Provo split, they used to go after landlords. Then the Provos went after them when they ousted the O'Bradaigh faction., Have the knee cappers infiltrated the IT?
 

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True.
But then you also have Irish students in similar conditions.
The way the grant system works means that either anyone earning an income outside of Dublin will get sufficient support. Otherwise, seeing as our Universities are disproportionately stocked with Private School alumni, most students have little issue affording decent enough accommodation.

There are no Irish students in similar situations.

One day when this whole "let's work immigrants illegally to death to drown ourselves in currency then shrug the shoulders when they look for respect and equal treatment" experiment blows up, I hope you'll have a better answer than that.
 

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Exploitation.

There should be legislated minimum living standards re space per person and people per bathrooms
 

nakatomi

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Exploitation.

There should be legislated minimum living standards re space per person and people per bathrooms
Why? that just pushes costs up, some workers are happy to live in these conditions.
It allows them to reduce accommodation costs and save money , especially migrant workers who may be here for only a short time.
 

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The way the grant system works means that either anyone earning an income outside of Dublin will get sufficient support. Otherwise, seeing as our Universities are disproportionately stocked with Private School alumni, most students have little issue affording decent enough accommodation.

There are no Irish students in similar situations.

One day when this whole "let's work immigrants illegally to death to drown ourselves in currency then shrug the shoulders when they look for respect and equal treatment" experiment blows up, I hope you'll have a better answer than that.
Lots of Irish students live like this in the Summer in US, I did it myself.

Never stayed in a hostel?
 

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If you increase supply then rents shoot down and you no longer have to have 16 people sharing a 3 bed.

If you limit immigration then the demand drops

Who seriously thinks that the people in these New Tenements

- are not primarily foreigners?
Well Catalpast - you are xenophobic overdrive tonight.

It's all the fault of the immigrants - after that it will be the fault of the blacks and the Jews and the gays - then the socialists - and when they finally come to lock you away in the loony bin there will be no one there to stop them.
 

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Total exploitation. Only allowed one Laundry load per week. Is he running a prison camp...
hopefully the revenue will be very interested in Mr McElwee.
As a single person I only need do one washing load a week to deal with clothes washing. It sounds as though bills are included in the rent which is why the owner has this rule. The tenants can use the local launderette if they have a lot of clothes and change them daily. The IT article could have pointed out that the rent a room scheme doesn't apply as his rents are well over the new limit 14,000 pa and that he loses his tax exemption if he makes a profit on selling as he was earning an income from it. I do hope the revenue gets their share - the fact that he insists on cash must mean that he has not returned it. Even if he is stuck for cash I cant understand why he would want to live there with all those women he doesn't know. Why not let two bedrooms for a good rent which he will get in Portobello and get 14,000 pa tax free?
 


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