Irish Times writer's complacency about voracious public sector pay and pensions



4horsemen

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They aren't - as usual pat is making sh*t up.

But the more important point is that most health professional who move to the UK do so because of shorter working hours, higher staff levels, better opportunities for training and better conditions of employment.
I was under the impression that 12hr shifts are a matter of choice in this country despite the risk to patients, but this may not be true.
 

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NO INSULTS

Or accusations of lying? The Mods must have chastised you.
Oh i forgot about that, big fat scary Pat threatened me with the mods........wwoooooooooooohhhhhhoooooooo

Not a dicky bird Pat, either you were spoofing about reporting me for pointing out that you are a spoofer or the mods are aware of the fact that you are a spoofer and took no notice of you
 

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The understaffing is caused by the fact that the Irish governments spent decades giving the rich tax breaks and subsidies and then their gambling went belly-up the the Irish government spent tens of billions bailing out the gambling debts.

As for Irish nurses - large numbers are leaving on a regular basis to work in the UK (the daughter of my next door neighbour turned down three nursing jobs in Ireland to move to the UK because she had zero intention of working in the Irish health system once she was qualified) - and when the Irish government attempted to bribe them to come back nobody was interested.
because of lousy working conditions in Irish A&E, not pay, you forgot to add.
 

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Oh i forgot about that, big fat scary Pat threatened me with the mods........wwoooooooooooohhhhhhoooooooo

Not a dicky bird Pat, either you were spoofing about reporting me for pointing out that you are a spoofer or the mods are aware of the fact that you are a spoofer and took no notice of you
LIBEL WITH IMPUNITY

A weakness of anonymous freedom of speech on the internet is the scope for libel with impunity. You wouldn't dare reveal your name when libelling people here.
 

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LIBEL WITH IMPUNITY

A weakness of anonymous freedom of speech on the internet is the scope for libel with impunity. You wouldn't dare reveal your name when libelling people here.
you getting confused Pat (again), i not libelling you at all, I LABELING you!

Its ok Pat, behind it all I enjoy your makey uppey posts!
 

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Oh i forgot about that, big fat scary Pat threatened me with the mods........wwoooooooooooohhhhhhoooooooo

Not a dicky bird Pat, either you were spoofing about reporting me for pointing out that you are a spoofer or the mods are aware of the fact that you are a spoofer and took no notice of you
VERY HIGH PAY OF IRISH NURSES

For Irish public sector unions and their shills who put on the poor mouth about Irish nurses pay, the nurses' international pay comparison in the link in post 23 above should be embarrassing; that is,if such brash people are capable of that feeling.

Figures in the link rank Irish nurses third in pay at an average €64,000 in US$ purchasing power parity, a measure that takes cost of living into account, presumably by smoothing foreign exchange rates. Some other countries are Austria 4th at $56K, Denmark 5th 54K, Canada 7th 51K, Belgium 8th 50K, Germany 11th 47K, Netherlands 13th 46K and UK 15th 44K. So Irish nurses are paid 45% more than the UK.

Inflation of public sector pay under self styled socialist Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has led to very high pay of Irish nurses. This high pay (apart from pay new entrants cut in austerity) led to budgetary shortfalls that were resolved partly by understaffing which in turn resulted in highly stressful working conditions in A&Es. Those conditions encourage emigration of new entrants to nursing at the bottom of the reduced pay scale that discriminates against them.

As for those emigrants, most who go to the UK go to London where the London allowance compensates for the high cost of living.
 
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VERY HIGH PAY OF IRISH NURSES

For Irish public sector unions and their shills who put on the poor mouth about Irish nurses pay, the nurses' international pay comparison in the link in post 23 above should be embarrassing; that is,if such brash people are capable of that feeling.

Figures in the link rank Irish nurses third in pay at an average €64,000 in US$ purchasing power parity, a measure that takes cost of living into account, presumably by smoothing foreign exchange rates. Some other countries are Austria 4th at $56K, Denmark 5th 54K, Canada 7th 51K, Belgium 8th 50K, Germany 11th 47K, Netherlands 13th 46K and UK 15th 44K. So Irish nurses are paid 45% more than the UK.

The fact that Irish nurses are emigrating to the UK despite lower pay there is down to inflation of public sector pay under self styled socialist Taoiseach Bertie Ahern. High pay of Irish nurses (apart from new entrants in austerity) led to budgetary shortfalls that were resolved partly by understaffing which resulted in highly stressful working conditions in A&Es.

For new Irish entrants to nursing who emigrate, most who go to the UK go to London where the London allowance compensates for the high cost of living. Those new entrants took the largest pay cut in austerity.
So your suggestion to encourage nurses to work here is to cut their pay?
 

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All I'm hearing is the problem, what's the solution?
 

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VERY HIGH PAY OF IRISH NURSES

For Irish public sector unions and their shills who put on the poor mouth about Irish nurses pay, the nurses' international pay comparison in the link in post 23 above should be embarrassing; that is,if such brash people are capable of that feeling.

Figures in the link rank Irish nurses third in pay at an average €64,000 in US$ purchasing power parity, a measure that takes cost of living into account, presumably by smoothing foreign exchange rates. Some other countries are Austria 4th at $56K, Denmark 5th 54K, Canada 7th 51K, Belgium 8th 50K, Germany 11th 47K, Netherlands 13th 46K and UK 15th 44K. So Irish nurses are paid 45% more than the UK.

Inflation of public sector pay under self styled socialist Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has led to very high pay of Irish nurses. This high pay (apart from pay new entrants cut in austerity) led to budgetary shortfalls that were resolved partly by understaffing which in turn resulted in highly stressful working conditions in A&Es. Those conditions encourage emigration of new entrants to nursing at the bottom of the reduced pay scale that discriminates against them.

As for those emigrant, most who go to the UK go to London where the London allowance compensates for the high cost of living.
Yawn!

No one believes what you post Pat, indeed very few even read your posts (garbage) completely!
 

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I don't think public sector pay or pensions can be voracious, really?

Surely Private Sector Pat hasn't got something wrong?

He'll be fired for sure - they don't tolerate mistakes in the private sector!
 

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VERY HIGH PAY OF IRISH NURSES

For Irish public sector unions and their shills who put on the poor mouth about Irish nurses pay, the nurses' international pay comparison in the link in post 23 above should be embarrassing; that is,if such brash people are capable of that feeling.

Figures in the link rank Irish nurses third in pay at an average €64,000 in US$ purchasing power parity, a measure that takes cost of living into account, presumably by smoothing foreign exchange rates. Some other countries are Austria 4th at $56K, Denmark 5th 54K, Canada 7th 51K, Belgium 8th 50K, Germany 11th 47K, Netherlands 13th 46K and UK 15th 44K. So Irish nurses are paid 45% more than the UK.

Inflation of public sector pay under self styled socialist Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has led to very high pay of Irish nurses. This high pay (apart from pay new entrants cut in austerity) led to budgetary shortfalls that were resolved partly by understaffing which in turn resulted in highly stressful working conditions in A&Es. Those conditions encourage emigration of new entrants to nursing at the bottom of the reduced pay scale that discriminates against them.

As for those emigrant, most who go to the UK go to London where the London allowance compensates for the high cost of living.
Sorry, Pat, this is not a link to anything credible. It's just more of your own nonsense. Is there any chance you could provide us with a link to an international report on nurses' pay.
 

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Sorry, Pat, this is not a link to anything credible. It's just more of your own nonsense. Is there any chance you could provide us with a link to an international report on nurses' pay.
That's not Pat's modus operandi. Pat has a tendency to "make up things", maybe he believes his utterances however he rarely, if ever, is in a position to back them up.
 

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Meanwhile, best of luck to Impact in their efforts to negotiate pay increases for their members.

Public service pay deal call | Irish Examiner
Indeed.

And I heard a character on radio yesterday calling for a "benchmarking exercise"

any day now, we will see an "indepndent" body appointed to do the benchmarking.

This "independent" body will consist of a clutch of beards, some serving - and retired - public servants, and the token private sector person. They will disappear into a smokefilled room, spend 3 months or so deliberating.

Then they will emerge and pronounce that they recommend that the ps get an x% payrise.

There will be no supporting evidence, no transparency, and no opportunity for anyone to query how they came to their conclusion.
 

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Indeed.

And I heard a character on radio yesterday calling for a "benchmarking exercise"

any day now, we will see an "indepndent" body appointed to do the benchmarking.

This "independent" body will consist of a clutch of beards, some serving - and retired - public servants, and the token private sector person. They will disappear into a smokefilled room, spend 3 months or so deliberating.

Then they will emerge and pronounce that they recommend that the ps get an x% payrise.

There will be no supporting evidence, no transparency, and no opportunity for anyone to query how they came to their conclusion.
Sounds like Benchmarking allright. Ask Prof Sean Barrett> I wonder have the beards hung on to the shredding machine? - probably hidden under Bertie 'the Knobend Ahern's ' bed along with his cashbox.
 


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