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Is a Common Defence of the British Isles the only Rational Strategy for effective defense?


IbrahaimMohamad

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Is a Common Defence of the British Isles the only Rational Strategy for effective defence?

For far too long we have insisted there is a need to maintain an Army of our own while opposing any step for a common effective defence of the British Isles.

The most advanced MIG jets are capable of flying at Mach 3 which mean the plane will cover almost 994 metres in a single second. The British need to exert effective control of Irish Air space to have any effective control of their own air space.

A MIG jet can cross the Irish sea in just 90 seconds. During WW2 it would take a fighter plane 10 minutes to cross the Irish sea. No army can maintain an effective defence without achieving and maintaining Air Superiority.

From our own perspective we could not maintain any control of our skies without British Assistance, and consequently our forces could only endure in the field with the help of British Air Cover.
 

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Is a Common Defence of the British Isles the only Rational Strategy for effective defence?

For far too long we have insisted there is a need to maintain an Army of our own while opposing any step for a common effective defence of the British Isles.

The most advanced MIG jets are capable of flying at Mach 3 which mean the plane will cover almost 994 metres in a single second. The British need to exert effective control of Irish Air space to have any effective control of their own air space.

A MIG jet can cross the Irish sea in just 90 seconds. During WW2 it would take a fighter plane 10 minutes to cross the Irish sea. No army can maintain an effective defence without achieving and maintaining Air Superiority.

From our own perspective we could not maintain any control of our skies without British Assistance, and consequently our forces could only endure in the field with the help of British Air Cover.
I am not even sure if jet fighters are that relevant any more in an era of "asymmetrical warfare".
 

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Is a Common Defence of the British Isles the only Rational Strategy for effective defence?

For far too long we have insisted there is a need to maintain an Army of our own while opposing any step for a common effective defence of the British Isles.

The most advanced MIG jets are capable of flying at Mach 3 which mean the plane will cover almost 994 metres in a single second. The British need to exert effective control of Irish Air space to have any effective control of their own air space.

A MIG jet can cross the Irish sea in just 90 seconds. During WW2 it would take a fighter plane 10 minutes to cross the Irish sea. No army can maintain an effective defence without achieving and maintaining Air Superiority.

From our own perspective we could not maintain any control of our skies without British Assistance, and consequently our forces could only endure in the field with the help of British Air Cover.
wtf?????????
 

drummed

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Defense against who?
 

Kev408

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The British Isles deserve to be defended against whatever you imagine but what about Ireland?
 

drummed

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Maybe we don't want to fire them all? And maybe they have another purpose? Coastal patrols, escort duties, ceremonial events, weather or other crisis? The defense forces are not solely for fighting wars you know.
One more time...............who do you expect to attack us?
 

IbrahaimMohamad

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Maybe we don't want to fire them all? And maybe they have another purpose? Coastal patrols, escort duties, ceremonial events, weather or other crisis? The defense forces are not solely for fighting wars you know.
One more time...............who do you expect to attack us?
Almost a billion a year is half the cost of Children's Allowance. There must be some threat when we are cutting the Children's allowance rather than Defence spending!

If the threat is even remote surely we should be optimising the most effective defence by cooperating and integrating with the Brits?
 

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Almost a billion a year is half the cost of Children's Allowance. There must be some threat when we are cutting the Children's allowance rather than Defence spending!

If the threat is even remote surely we should be optimising the most effective defence by cooperating and integrating with the Brits?
I'll try again. Where do you see a credible threat coming from?
Otherwise this thread is a waste of space without one.
 

IbrahaimMohamad

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I'll try again. Where do you see a credible threat coming from?
Otherwise this thread is a waste of space without one.
I am no expert on where it might come form? Surely we would not borrow a billion a year (including interest) to maintain a defence of sorts even an inadequate one unless some threat was perceived while we are forced to cut Childrens Allowance?
 

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Almost a billion a year is half the cost of Children's Allowance. There must be some threat when we are cutting the Children's allowance rather than Defence spending!

If the threat is even remote surely we should be optimising the most effective defence by cooperating and integrating with the Brits?
seriously? why would we co operate with a foreign army and integrate with our own. we are supposed to be an independant nation, although some might argue we are under control from the likes of germany anyway. i would also like a withdrawal from europe but thats for another thread. i actually see the increase of our armed forces as an option possibly through conscription, like the op said its not all about fighting wars.
 

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seriously? why would we co operate with a foreign army and integrate with our own. we are supposed to be an independant nation, although some might argue we are under control from the likes of germany anyway. i would also like a withdrawal from europe but thats for another thread. i actually see the increase of our armed forces as an option possibly through conscription, like the op said its not all about fighting wars.
How would one of your conscripts engage an Apache Helecopter, or some cluster bombs?
 

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There must be some threat or we would not be borrowing €900 million a year to maintain a defence force!
If you think all that money is going on defence from attack, you are just another loon.
 

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Defense against who?
I think that the point of future threats is that you dont know where those threats will come from. There were probably people in the UK condemning all the effort going into the creation of the Spitfire/Radar in 1937.
 

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I am no expert on where it might come form? Surely we would not borrow a billion a year (including interest) to maintain a defence of sorts even an inadequate one unless some threat was perceived while we are forced to cut Childrens Allowance?
Idiotic. The reasons have already been given. Can you read?
 

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The most advanced MIG jets are capable of flying at Mach 3 which mean the plane will cover almost 994 metres in a single second.

A MIG jet can cross the Irish sea in just 90 seconds.

No army can maintain an effective defence without achieving and maintaining Air Superiority.
 

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Copied from IMO Forum which I started to Lurk recently:

The Irish Public reaction to The DF Cycle.

Step 1.

Why do we need an army or a Defence Force?

Wahwahwahwahwah.

What do they do all day wahwahwahwahwahwah Costing us money wahwahwahwahwahwahwahwah Earning more than managers in companies wahwahwahwahwah Overtime on everything wahwahwahwahwah.

Step 2.

Insert:
{natural disaster/ forest fire/ Major Accident requiring specialist equipment, expertise, etc/ terrorist attack/ Drug importation/ IED campaign undertaken by our Friends in black ski masks/ humanitarian crisis in some sh*tbucket sandpit/ post conflict turmoil or impending repeat of the jolly old Rwanda/Srebrinica roadshow}

Step 3.

Why aren't the army there helping?

wahwahwahwahwahwah
How can this be allowed happen? Wahwahwahwahwahwah. Why don't we have enough men/equipment/facilities to deal with this? Wahwahwahwah.
(because you allowed it, and your elected officials saw fit to anally, orally, and aurally rape it when times were good and when savings needed to be made that could have come from other places within the DoD or public sector at large)

Step 4.

DF does the best it can with the resources it has. Represents the country in the best possible way. Changes lives for thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions.

Step 5.

Crisis over.

Step 6.

Begin step 1.
 

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The most advanced MIG jets are capable of flying at Mach 3 which mean the plane will cover almost 994 metres in a single second.

A MIG jet can cross the Irish sea in just 90 seconds.

No army can maintain an effective defence without achieving and maintaining Air Superiority.
Have you been watching some action man movie or what?
 

drummed

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The most advanced MIG jets are capable of flying at Mach 3 which mean the plane will cover almost 994 metres in a single second.

A MIG jet can cross the Irish sea in just 90 seconds.

No army can maintain an effective defence without achieving and maintaining Air Superiority.
Remind us who's going to attack us with MIG jets from the Irish Sea again?
 
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