Is a Seanad debate on Brexit really too much to ask? – Senator Niall Ó Donnghaile

Antóin Mac Comháin

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 18, 2017
Messages
3,592
Sinn Féin Senator Niall Ó Donnghaile has written to the Leader of the Seanad following an exchange in the chamber this evening where the Leader Senator Jerry Buttimer would not commit to holding a debate on the issue of Brexit.

Speaking this evening, Seanadóir Ó Donnghaile said;

“Today in the Seanad I called for an urgent debate on Brexit.

“Given the severity of the political period we find ourselves in, it is my firm view that the Seanad and individual Seanadóirí across the political spectrum have and must continue to make an active and worthwhile contribution on this issue of truly national importance.

“I am disappointed that the Leader of the Seanad Jerry Buttimer would not commit to holding a debate on this matter or even my lesser request to have the Minister for Foreign Affairs or the Taoiseach update Senadóirí on the current state of play.

“I have tonight written to the Senator Buttimer urging him to reconsider.

“While parties and independents in the Seanad have some differences of opinion on aspects of this issue, we have all been united in wanting to see the best possible outcome delivered for all of Ireland.

“A short while ago, following weeks of extensive engagements, the Seanad Special Select Committee on Brexit published comprehensive findings after weeks of hearings on Brexit.

“This was good work, warmly received and supported by stakeholders across the political, economic, social, agricultural and legal spectrums. Sadly however, that report lies dormant. That is simply not good enough.

“The Seanad is a parliamentary institution, it is a debating chamber, given the period we are now in in relation to the negotiations, is a debate on Brexit really too much to ask of this Government?” - https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjSo6Tk5dDXAhUFCcAKHf9QBlIQ6F4IJjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fsinnfeinireland%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc%255Egoogle%257Ctwcamp%255Eserp%257Ctwgr%255Eauthor&usg=AOvVaw1PtCmTVzgAz2Q4q5fZ6Dfe
 
Last edited:


Hibee

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 15, 2015
Messages
1,888
Sinn Féin Senator Niall Ó Donnghaile has written to the Leader of the Seanad following an exchange in the chamber this evening where the Leader Senator Jerry Buttimer would not commit to holding a debate on the issue of Brexit.

Speaking this evening, Seanadóir Ó Donnghaile said;

“Today in the Seanad I called for an urgent debate on Brexit.

“Given the severity of the political period we find ourselves in, it is my firm view that the Seanad and individual Seanadóirí across the political spectrum have and must continue to make an active and worthwhile contribution on this issue of truly national importance.

“I am disappointed that the Leader of the Seanad Jerry Buttimer would not commit to holding a debate on this matter or even my lesser request to have the Minister for Foreign Affairs or the Taoiseach update Senadóirí on the current state of play.

“I have tonight written to the Senator Buttimer urging him to reconsider.

“While parties and independents in the Seanad have some differences of opinion on aspects of this issue, we have all been united in wanting to see the best possible outcome delivered for all of Ireland.

“A short while ago, following weeks of extensive engagements, the Seanad Special Select Committee on Brexit published comprehensive findings after weeks of hearings on Brexit.

“This was good work, warmly received and supported by stakeholders across the political, economic, social, agricultural and legal spectrums. Sadly however, that report lies dormant. That is simply not good enough.

“The Seanad is a parliamentary institution, it is a debating chamber, given the period we are now in in relation to the negotiations, is a debate on Brexit really too much to ask of this Government?” - https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjSo6Tk5dDXAhUFCcAKHf9QBlIQ6F4IJjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fsinnfeinireland%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc%255Egoogle%257Ctwcamp%255Eserp%257Ctwgr%255Eauthor&usg=AOvVaw1PtCmTVzgAz2Q4q5fZ6Dfe


We were discussing Brexit earlier on another thread, and personally I'm not too sure what to make of it, but it's hard not to get the impression that most people want to ignore it, as like me, they are unsure of what to make of it.
To answer you question. , No .

But let's be honest these muppets might as well be taking about the price of rice in China .
 

Antóin Mac Comháin

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 18, 2017
Messages
3,592
We were discussing Brexit earlier on another thread, and personally I'm not too sure what to make of it, but it's hard not to get the impression that most people want to ignore it, as like me, they are unsure of what it entails. I think it's somewhat disturbing that the government appear to be trying to wish it away, and to close down debate on the issue.
 
Last edited:

Antóin Mac Comháin

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 18, 2017
Messages
3,592
To answer you question. , No .

But let's be honest these muppets might as well be taking about the price of rice in China .
“Fianna Fail have a great deal to offer in terms of the Brexit narrative, both through their existing EU experience and their membership of the Liberal (ALDE) grouping. - August 28

UK needs to reveal solution to North Border, says Varadkar

“If there is an alternative proposal from the UK side, we would like to see it. It is 18-months since the referendum, it is ten years since people started agitating for a referendum. They must, at this stage, have a counter proposal.” - Varadkar, November 11


I get the impression that they are contradicting themselves between the manner with which they have welcomed input from FF, and the manner with which they are closing SF out of the debate, and that is largely because SF represent North Nationalists. I think Varadkar is bluffing, again, and that he's been found wanting, again, and that he will try and Tweet his way through the next 18-24 months, and the British will keep taking, from the gift that keeps on giving, because he's as clueless as you and me on Brexit, much in the same way he appears to be clueless about almost everything else in the real world. He absolutely failed to grasp the insensitivity involved, in appointing a former member of the RUC to a senior role in the Gardaí last week. Politics is a game of Tweeting to him, and nothing more:

'Criticism of my Twitter is ridiculous' -Taoiseach says opponents are 'terrified' of modern communications

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has launched a blistering defence of his use of social media, saying he has been subjected to some “ridiculous criticism”. He said the reaction from political opponents to a Twitter picture of the Cabinet subcommittee on security “says a lot about some people's terror and fear of modern media”.

The lights are on, but there's no one at home.
 

LISTOWEL MAN

Well-known member
Joined
May 14, 2013
Messages
11,500
[video=youtube;DQbpZJPThWI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQbpZJPThWI[/video]
 

Roberto Jordan

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 28, 2012
Messages
2,059
“Fianna Fail have a great deal to offer in terms of the Brexit narrative, both through their existing EU experience and their membership of the Liberal (ALDE) grouping. - August 28

UK needs to reveal solution to North Border, says Varadkar

“If there is an alternative proposal from the UK side, we would like to see it. It is 18-months since the referendum, it is ten years since people started agitating for a referendum. They must, at this stage, have a counter proposal.” - Varadkar, November 11


I get the impression that they are contradicting themselves between the manner with which they have welcomed input from FF, and the manner with which they are closing SF out of the debate, and that is largely because SF represent North Nationalists. I think Varadkar is bluffing, again, and that he's been found wanting, again, and that he will try and Tweet his way through the next 18-24 months, and the British will keep taking, from the gift that keeps on giving, because he's as clueless as you and me on Brexit, much in the same way he appears to be clueless about almost everything else in the real world. He absolutely failed to grasp the insensitivity involved, in appointing a former member of the RUC to a senior role in the Gardaí last week. Politics is a game of Tweeting to him, and nothing more:

'Criticism of my Twitter is ridiculous' -Taoiseach says opponents are 'terrified' of modern communications

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has launched a blistering defence of his use of social media, saying he has been subjected to some “ridiculous criticism”. He said the reaction from political opponents to a Twitter picture of the Cabinet subcommittee on security “says a lot about some people's terror and fear of modern media”.

The lights are on, but there's no one at home.
There may well be some who are "terrified" by "modern" communications. But looking from the outside in Varadkar is not exactly using these methods in a modern way. The novel aspect of well known people using Twitter is its short form, instant method allows self written, self taken (selfie) and personalized communications.

Now varadkar is not alone in the following , most "celebrities" are similar, but he is using it in a old fashioned way with PR minions clearly driving the communications and nothing particularly authentic about it. Its political propaganda disguised as conservation. Then again he is a right of center middle class ( or maybe upper middle in irish terms given educational alma mater is the Paddy version of a better standing than average well established public school in the UK) politician dressing himself up in the clothing of a concerned social democrat , until it comes to actual governance that is......but hey he's got a boyfirend, hates sport and wears krazy socks ....he couldnt possibly be a political embodiment of every reactionary south county dublin professional from elm park golf club to Lansdowne RFC
 

Dame_Enda

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 14, 2011
Messages
53,666
I agree with Varadkar on the legitimacy of twitter. Similar terror and outrage was expressed by the print media towards radio following the hysteria over the drama "War of the Worlds". So much so that the US govt agreed for a time that official announcements would go through the print media not radio.
 

Henry94.

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 21, 2015
Messages
1,925
Our debate here will have as much impact as a debate in the Seanad about Brexit. Most of the members would aim their remarks at the Dail constituencies they hope to contest in the general election. So we may ask why they should bother to have a debate.

But why stop them from having a debate? What is the government at in preventing our upper house, which the people voted to retain, from discussing arguably the biggest issue facing the country.
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top