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Is Alan Shatter the best Minister for Justice since Haughey?


Congalltee

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Is Alan Shatter the best Minister for Justice since Haughey?

In two short years his achievements are immense:
- defence of the home clarified
- no blue flu
- pay cuts for judges, registrars, Gardai
- judges sitting in September
- closing rural Garda stations which were wasteful in terms of resources
- citizenship applications are processed much sooner
- Magdalan laundry victims finally got justice
- the x and ABC cases are to be complied with
- greater emphasis on non-custodial sentences and reducing number of people who are jailed for non-payment of fines.
- the Sean Brady bill passed (withholding information)

And too many other reforms to mention (but feel free to add some) and more to come (eg a tweaked Legal Services bill)

Mick Wallace, Paul Reynolds, the ASTI, 8 Attornies General, and the judicial bench may disagree with him from time to time but overall he has been a reforming minister and few mistakes will be made. While he may not be universally liked he is respected and his work rate gains approval.

I'm trying to think of any of the previous ministers and how they did:
- Brendan Smith (not there long enough)
- Brian Lenihan jnr (well received)
- Dermot Ahern (safe pair of hands)
- Michael McDowell (new criminal law legislation every week)
- John O'Donoghue (zero what...?)
- Nora Owen (under pressure)
- MGQ (finally decriminalised homosexual acts but overturned a lot of court decisions)
- Ray Burke, Pee Flynn, Sean Doherty (no comment necessary)
- Gerry Collins (twice)
- Paddy Cooney (a thundering wha..), Des O'Malley and Michael O Morain faced down the Provos in the '70s
- Brian Lenihan snr
- CJH (abolition of death penalty, succession act, adoption act, ended the border campaign)
 

Hitchcock

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Is Alan Shatter the best Minister for Justice since Haughey?

In two short years his achievements are immense:
- defence of the home clarified
- no blue flu
- pay cuts for judges, registrars, Gardai
- judges sitting in September
- closing rural Garda stations which were wasteful in terms of resources
- citizenship applications are processed much sooner
- Magdalan laundry victims finally got justice
- the x and ABC cases are to be complied with
- greater emphasis on non-custodial sentences and reducing number of people who are jailed for non-payment of fines.
- the Sean Brady bill passed (withholding information)

And too many other reforms to mention (but feel free to add some) and more to come (eg a tweaked Legal Services bill)

Mick Wallace, Paul Reynolds, the ASTI, 8 Attornies General, and the judicial bench may disagree with him from time to time but overall he has been a reforming minister and few mistakes will be made. While he may not be universally liked he is respected and his work rate gains approval.

I'm trying to think of any of the previous ministers and how they did:
- Brendan Smith (not there long enough)
- Brian Lenihan jnr (well received)
- Dermot Ahern (safe pair of hands)
- Michael McDowell (new criminal law legislation every week)
- John O'Donoghue (zero what...?)
- Nora Owen (under pressure)
- MGQ (finally decriminalised homosexual acts but overturned a lot of court decisions)
- Ray Burke, Pee Flynn, Sean Doherty (no comment necessary)
- Gerry Collins (twice)
- Paddy Cooney (a thundering wha..), Des O'Malley and Michael O Morain faced down the Provos in the '70s
- Brian Lenihan snr
- CJH (abolition of death penalty, succession act, adoption act, ended the border campaign)
They are both liars anyway!
 

loner

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Yes Shatter has accomplished more in the Dept. of Justice in a short period of time than any previous Minister .It would be tragic if this blunder in relation to the penalty points issue were to result in his dparture from office---Look at what Haughey,Burke,Flynn,Bertie,Albert,Doherty,O Donoghue and others did during their public careers and none of them,bar ODonoghue were forced to resign.
 

Marcos the black

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Ssssssshhhh.. The P.ie mob are angry.. Facts don't matter.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Yes Shatter has accomplished more in the Dept. of Justice in a short period of time than any previous Minister .It would be tragic if this blunder in relation to the penalty points issue were to result in his dparture from office---Look at what Haughey,Burke,Flynn,Bertie,Albert,Doherty,O Donoghue and others did during their public careers and none of them,bar ODonoghue were forced to resign.
How many of them were not crooks?

The irony.
 
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MrFunkyZombaloo

Is Alan Shatter the best Minister for Justice since Haughey?

In two short years his achievements are immense:
- defence of the home clarified
- no blue flu
- pay cuts for judges, registrars, Gardai
- judges sitting in September
- closing rural Garda stations which were wasteful in terms of resources
- citizenship applications are processed much sooner
- Magdalan laundry victims finally got justice
- the x and ABC cases are to be complied with
- greater emphasis on non-custodial sentences and reducing number of people who are jailed for non-payment of fines.
- the Sean Brady bill passed (withholding information)

And too many other reforms to mention (but feel free to add some) and more to come (eg a tweaked Legal Services bill)

Mick Wallace, Paul Reynolds, the ASTI, 8 Attornies General, and the judicial bench may disagree with him from time to time but overall he has been a reforming minister and few mistakes will be made. While he may not be universally liked he is respected and his work rate gains approval.

I'm trying to think of any of the previous ministers and how they did:
- Brendan Smith (not there long enough)
- Brian Lenihan jnr (well received)
- Dermot Ahern (safe pair of hands)
- Michael McDowell (new criminal law legislation every week)
- John O'Donoghue (zero what...?)
- Nora Owen (under pressure)
- MGQ (finally decriminalised homosexual acts but overturned a lot of court decisions)
- Ray Burke, Pee Flynn, Sean Doherty (no comment necessary)
- Gerry Collins (twice)
- Paddy Cooney (a thundering wha..), Des O'Malley and Michael O Morain faced down the Provos in the '70s
- Brian Lenihan snr
- CJH (abolition of death penalty, succession act, adoption act, ended the border campaign)
I'm not up to date on the history of MoJ's but Shatter's achievements are tainted by his recent (and other) antics.

Shatter is a Jewman and takes his orders from an apartheid state
FFS! Piss off with the Jewspiracy crap!

Best Minister for justice was Sean Doherty. He was an ex gard and knew the workings of things. Poor man was not left long enough there, he was brought down by blueshirts and irish times cos Kennedy's phone was tapped, but it was done on Haugheys instruction.
One of the "gang of five". Responsible for bringing us Haughey and his brand of FF corruption and cronyism? That Seán Doherty? :roll:
 

borntorum

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Shatter compared to Haughey...even I wouldn't go that far
 

meriwether

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Yes Shatter has accomplished more in the Dept. of Justice in a short period of time than any previous Minister .It would be tragic if this blunder in relation to the penalty points issue were to result in his dparture from office---Look at what Haughey,Burke,Flynn,Bertie,Albert,Doherty,O Donoghue and others did during their public careers and none of them,bar ODonoghue were forced to resign.
He can't bring people with him.

He creates enemies through his arrogance and behaviour, who then pounce given half the chance.

This penalty points thing is a pile of pish ultimately, but its Shatter.

I utterly disagree with him on his unilateral apology for the treatment of WWII deserters and our neutrality in that period, and for that I want him gone.
 
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MrFunkyZombaloo

Yes Shatter has accomplished more in the Dept. of Justice in a short period of time than any previous Minister .It would be tragic if this blunder in relation to the penalty points issue were to result in his dparture from office---Look at what Haughey,Burke,Flynn,Bertie,Albert,Doherty,O Donoghue and others did during their public careers and none of them,bar ODonoghue were forced to resign.
So, we should abandon accountability now and in the future because of the transgressions of FF and their failures to deal with those f*ck-ups?
 

The Preacher

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In fairness, the only reason that the X and ABC cases are being dealt with is because the Government's hand was forced by Europe. Otherwise they'd have been content to blissfully ignore the issue like the other clowns.
 

borntorum

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I utterly disagree with him on his unilateral apology for the treatment of WWII deserters and our neutrality in that period, and for that I want him gone.
+1. The Phoenix this week alleges that the Defence Forces top brass are rather pissed off about Shatter's pronouncements on our WW2 neutrality and his apology to the deserters.
 

turdsl

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God the poor man is not even getting an even break, Haughey and Shatter, one as good as the other.I bet he would like some other comparison.
 

Congalltee

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God the poor man is not even getting an even break, Haughey and Shatter, one as good as the other.I bet he would like some other comparison.
Haughey's record in Justice speaks for itself (even if the criticism for other matters is justified).
 

Pat Mc Larnon

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Best Minister for justice was Sean Doherty. He was an ex gard and knew the workings of things. Poor man was not left long enough there, he was brought down by blueshirts and irish times cos Kennedy's phone was tapped, but it was done on Haugheys instruction.
The Dowra affair was very much a Doherty family enterprise and had nothing to do with Haughey. He was corrupt.
 

borntorum

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The Dowra affair was very much a Doherty family enterprise and had nothing to do with Haughey. He was corrupt.
I'm presuming Paddy de Plasterer is a troll; whatever he is, I don't think he deserves to be taken seriously
 

meriwether

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+1. The Phoenix this week alleges that the Defence Forces top brass are rather pissed off about Shatter's pronouncements on our WW2 neutrality and his apology to the deserters.
He has no right to apologise on our behalf for anything.

His arrogance knows no bounds.
 
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