Is America Falling Apart?


Jack Walsh

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US life expectancy drops for second year in a row - CNN

For two years we have been told America is booming, it is supposedly the richest country in history right now.
But just look at this diabolical report.
Just also look at where the malaise of poverty and early death is most rife, States that are consumed and addicted to Trump and his disgusting party.
The seven lowest life expectancy states in America (Mississippi, West Virginia, Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma and Arkansas) are as close to making no difference to being Trump's top 7 States.
Desperate people putting guns and religion ahead of their health, education and well being, and that ignorance being exploited expertly by Trump/GOP.


This, for me at least, is an addiction, a disease, people believing that someone like Trump can better them, when all the evidence is showing is he is putting them further and further into poverty, while giving all the goodies to the already wealthy.

The wealth gap worldwide is for me the greatest crime in history, but nowhere is this crime more obvious than the US, and nowhere is it more repulsive and treated with such ambivalence.

But most of all ponder the following, how in the name of christ can the supposed strongest and wealthiest economy in the history of mankind have a decline in life expectancy in 2018?
With the monstrous advances in technology, of wealth generation, of medicine, of vaccinations, of lack of wars, it is just obscene and it is immoral.

America is eating itself alive.
 

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US life expectancy drops for second year in a row - CNN

For two years we have been told America is booming, it is supposedly the richest country in history right now.
But just look at this diabolical report.
Just also look at where the malaise of poverty and early death is most rife, States that are consumed and addicted to Trump and his disgusting party.
The seven lowest life expectancy states in America (Mississippi, West Virginia, Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma and Arkansas) are as close to making no difference to being Trump's top 7 States.
Desperate people putting guns and religion ahead of their health, education and well being, and that ignorance being exploited expertly by Trump/GOP.


This, for me at least, is an addiction, a disease, people believing that someone like Trump can better them, when all the evidence is showing is he is putting them further and further into poverty, while giving all the goodies to the already wealthy.

The wealth gap worldwide is for me the greatest crime in history, but nowhere is this crime more obvious than the US, and nowhere is it more repulsive and treated with such ambivalence.

But most of all ponder the following, how in the name of christ can the supposed strongest and wealthiest economy in the history of mankind have a decline in life expectancy in 2018?
With the monstrous advances in technology, of wealth generation, of medicine, of vaccinations, of lack of wars, it is just obscene and it is immoral.

America is eating itself alive.
Em, you do know who was Prez when this reduction in LE took place, don't ya? A 2 term Prez like.
 

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I have seen these reports over the last few days about the horrible effects of the opioids, gun violence and suicide and the impact they have had on life expectancy in the US. It really is shocking stuff but that said I think the rumours of the demise of the United States are greatly exaggerated. These issues predate Trump and will succeed him too.
 

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Lower income, single men seem to be making a disproportionate contribution to the trend and a host of unfavourable factors are affecting this group. Many have lost steady jobs and traditional roles, both in the household and society. Churches and associations are dying off and the extended family has largely disappeared. Social media just doesn't fill those gaps.
 
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Trouble is that when a generation grows up with the idea that the American Dream is attainable (and it seemed to be attainable for their parents' generation) and the dream turns out to be dust for most then all sorts of problems can arise.

In Ireland it was a high suicide rate particularly among young men when they felt cut off from the advertised attainments of the society around them.

In the backwaters of the states mentioned above some will look for a new saviour (Hi Don), some will turn to oblivion (opioids etc).

The good news is that as soon as expectations are lowered a newer more sensible generation will emerge with lower and more realistic expectations and I think that generation may be altogether nicer and more collected people.
 

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Trouble is that when a generation grows up with the idea that the American Dream is attainable (and it seemed to be attainable for their parents' generation) and the dream turns out to be dust for most then all sorts of problems can arise.

In Ireland it was a high suicide rate particularly among young men when they felt cut off from the advertised attainments of the society around them.

In the backwaters of the states mentioned above some will look for a new saviour (Hi Don), some will turn to oblivion (opioids etc).

The good news is that as soon as expectations are lowered a newer more sensible generation will emerge with lower and more realistic expectations and I think that generation may be altogether nicer and more collected people.
The good news is that as soon as expectations are lowered a newer more sensible generation will emerge with lower and more realistic expectations and I think that generation may be altogether nicer and more collected people.
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bad medical advice around diet, medicine corrupted by pharma money and a profit led model which is anti lifestyle medicine. cure their obesity rates and life expectancy would go up. not sure what the Trump angle here is, the US went off the rails in the 70's regarding health
 

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Trouble is that when a generation grows up with the idea that the American Dream is attainable (and it seemed to be attainable for their parents' generation) and the dream turns out to be dust for most then all sorts of problems can arise.

In Ireland it was a high suicide rate particularly among young men when they felt cut off from the advertised attainments of the society around them.

In the backwaters of the states mentioned above some will look for a new saviour (Hi Don), some will turn to oblivion (opioids etc).

The good news is that as soon as expectations are lowered a newer more sensible generation will emerge with lower and more realistic expectations and I think that generation may be altogether nicer and more collected people.
American expectations will NEVER be lowered. The whole culture is based on exapnisonism and growth and material aqquisition. Jimmy Carter tried to get Americans to be less aqquisitive and greedy and they voted for the neo liberal clown Regan in massive droves. The country was founded on hustling, the worship of private property and violence. Trump has just speeded up the decline. And the shine is coming off quick. Ireland is currently begging the US for 5,000 unused visas to be given to irish citizens instead of australians. The irish government think this is a great thing. Maybe they should be asking themselves why so many visas are being rejected by Aussies. In return, we are going to have to accept reams of old unhealthy americans who will put yet more strain on our health service. FG are utter muppets.

Morris Berman: End Of Empire...Are We There Yet? - YouTube

This guy is worth a listen.

Morris Berman: End Of Empire...Are We There Yet? - YouTube
 

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American expectations will NEVER be lowered. The whole culture is based on exapnisonism and growth and material aqquisition. Jimmy Carter tried to get Americans to be less aqquisitive and greedy and they voted for the neo liberal clown Regan in massive droves. The country was founded on hustling, the worship of private property and violence. Trump has just speeded up the decline. And the shine is coming off quick. Ireland is currently begging the US for 5,000 unused visas to be given to irish citizens instead of australians. The irish government think this is a great thing. Maybe they should be asking themselves why so many visas are being rejected by Aussies. In return, we are going to have to accept reams of old unhealthy americans who will put yet more strain on our health service. FG are utter muppets.

Morris Berman: End Of Empire...Are We There Yet? - YouTube

This guy is worth a listen.

Morris Berman: End Of Empire...Are We There Yet? - YouTube

In fairness to Fine Gael they are only doing what they and their puppet masters in Fianna Fail have always done in preparing to export as many of our young people as possible at the next downturn
 

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In fairness to Fine Gael they are only doing what they and their puppet masters in Fianna Fail have always done in preparing to export as many of our young people as possible at the next downturn
Indeed, they are ensuring a safety valve of emigration so that they don't have to change anything. But what will happen when young irish people realise that the States is a craphole?
 
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Obviously this is just another dreary anti-American leftie thread.

However it does raise an interesting question.

Is the number of old people sitting in wheelchairs with tubes coming from their noses the best measure of societal progress?

Personally I would prefer to die in a shootout or from partying too hard.
 

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Irish workers may get access to thousands of US visas after passed by House of Representatives - Independent.ie
So the US wants our young people over there to work and wevhave to look after their old people because they cant afford to retire in the states.
if you are retired and have a pension and the financial resources you can move to Ireland as a retiree. The financial threshold is around €50,000 per person per year, but you must also prove you have access to a lump sum of money to cover unforseen expenses, for US citizens that's about $250,000. They are not entitled to any benefits here, and have to have private health care.

"Documents required for initial application for permission
An application must include the following:
Reason for the request
Full copy of your passport
Any Irish Associations
Evidence of your finances verified by an Irish based accountant listing yearly income and any financial liabilities. Investment sums are not normally reckonable – finances must be in the form of pension income or readily accessible funds.
Evidence of private medical insurance with full cover in private hospitals
Police clearance certificate
Health declaration

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Stamp%200"
 

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Fantastic country. Economy booming under this President and still a major destination for the worlds population be it holidays or seeking work.
 

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US life expectancy drops for second year in a row - CNN

For two years we have been told America is booming, it is supposedly the richest country in history right now.
But just look at this diabolical report.
Just also look at where the malaise of poverty and early death is most rife, States that are consumed and addicted to Trump and his disgusting party.
The seven lowest life expectancy states in America (Mississippi, West Virginia, Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma and Arkansas) are as close to making no difference to being Trump's top 7 States.
Desperate people putting guns and religion ahead of their health, education and well being, and that ignorance being exploited expertly by Trump/GOP.


This, for me at least, is an addiction, a disease, people believing that someone like Trump can better them, when all the evidence is showing is he is putting them further and further into poverty, while giving all the goodies to the already wealthy.

The wealth gap worldwide is for me the greatest crime in history, but nowhere is this crime more obvious than the US, and nowhere is it more repulsive and treated with such ambivalence.

But most of all ponder the following, how in the name of christ can the supposed strongest and wealthiest economy in the history of mankind have a decline in life expectancy in 2018?
With the monstrous advances in technology, of wealth generation, of medicine, of vaccinations, of lack of wars, it is just obscene and it is immoral.

America is eating itself alive.
Wow! Real objective there Jack.
 
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