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Is communist equal pay for all salary only hospital consultants hobbling recruitment?


Sweet Darling

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Marginal tax rates of about half the Irish salary kick in just above the average salary. Even in tax mad France, that marginal tax rate applies to only the top salaries. There is some tax relief on big Dublin houses as Irish house property taxes are very low by international standards. The top marginal Irish income tax is a major disincentive to work for professionals and trades workers. Income taxes in English speaking countries are generally a lot lower for Irish expats, a barrier to returning.
We have socialist/Commie rate of tax's in Ireland with Socialist/Commie value for money services for it.
 

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That's not quite true. Building sites will have engineers, architects and the like who have degrees. The tradesmen will also have spent about a year of their apprenticeship in third level on block release. Shops also have staff with business and marketing degrees.

Even the most humble employee in both areas will likely have a leaving cert, although they're likely to be less literate and numerate than their predecessors of around 50 years ago who would only have a primary cert.

We're spending more and more to keep kids in school longer while the standard of education is plummeting because we don't want to fail anyone.
VERY DEMANDING STANDARDS NO MORE?
Anecdotally,the dumbing down seems to be affecting standards of BAs and business studies. If so, that goes against a basic principle of university education that standards should be very demanding to get students to rise to the challenge. But if high grades are given to mediocre students, the best students won't achieve their potential.
 

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Like the priesthood in the old days, many who have high LC points have their mother's vocation for medicine. A doctor acquaintance says doctors need the memory of an elephant and must spend years in the library memorising diagnostics.
As the ex wife of a GP said to me," By pass the GP and go pay for a Scan in a private clinic.
 

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Also women doctors give less "bang for the taxpayers buck" then men dur to working less hours.
With the majority of med students being female at the mo things are going to get worse.
FEMINISED MEDICAL PROFESSION
Psychological tests were introduced to judge fitness for medicine in addition to CAO points where girls lead. Looks like the medical establishment wants to keep the profession from being feminised as in Russia. A better approach might be to give higher weightings to scientific subjects and maths in selections.
 

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Marginal tax rates of about half the Irish salary kick in just above the average salary. Even in tax mad France, that marginal tax rate applies to only the top salaries. There is some tax relief on big Dublin houses as Irish house property taxes are very low by international standards. The top marginal Irish income tax is a major disincentive to work for professionals and trades workers. Income taxes in English speaking countries are generally a lot lower for Irish expats, a barrier to returning.
Yah maybe. Not sure why you think it only applies to doctors, or why you think doctors have to live in big houses in Dublin.

Best ask Leo.
 

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Advanced technical educations such as medicine or civil engineering cost a big multiple of non technical education such as BAs and business degrees. Milton Friedman the Nobel prize economist recommended that fees be set very high for those technical degrees but very low for BAs to foster a liberally educated society. The problem with the high fees is they would lead to a shortage of those technical skills, driving up wages to uncompetitive levels unless immigrants made up for the shortage.
What do engineers earn, compared to doctors? I presume engineers earn more?
 

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Everyone pays a fraction of the cost of education. Your idea of indentured service, would only apply to junior doctors, , our shortage problem is with consultants, who were told if they dont like the conditions of the Irish health service , they could go elsewhere , so they did.

We produce more native graduates ( ie not including non- nationals, than anywhere else in Europe ) yet we have a consultant shortage.

indentured service is not going to solve a situation where one in five jobsis unfilled.
Consultants union regulate supply and qualifications/standards to be anointed to keep a shortage and fee's high.
We should do what the like of the communist sh1thole Cuba do and hold their family hostage to make sure the Doctor returns and pays his dues to the taxpayer.
 

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VERY DEMANDING STANDARDS NO MORE?
Anecdotally,the dumbing down seems to be affecting standards of BAs and business studies. If so, that goes against a basic principle of university education that standards should be very demanding to get students to rise to the challenge. But if high grades are given to mediocre students, the best students won't achieve their potential.
There is now a place for all snowflakes who applies for third level. Some say it's a good thing. Others would say it's causing shortages in the "blue collar, and manual jobs.
 

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Like I said earlier.

Seems the only people who can afford to pursue careers in medicine are loaded already.
Father to son. Not so long ago a way of getting your not to academically gifted son in to Med school was a nod and a wink to the lads and straight in the "Foreign student" back door.
 

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Father to son. Not so long ago a way of getting your not to academically gifted son in to Med school was a nod and a wink to the lads and straight in the "Foreign student" back door.
I’m not sure you really understand the conversation here.

The complaint is that doctors are leaving the country and not returning because working conditions are crap.

For consultants.

Not gps.

I have to sleep now, dead battery.
 

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There is now a place for all snowflakes who applies for third level. Some say it's a good thing. Others would say it's causing shortages in the "blue collar, and manual jobs.
I joked with a building contractor that the collapse in apprenticeships would make you guys as scarce and well paid as brain surgeons.
 

Sweet Darling

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I’m not sure you really understand the conversation here.

The complaint is that doctors are leaving the country and not returning because working conditions are crap.

For consultants.

Not gps.

I have to sleep now, dead battery.
And these same Irish recently qualified Doctors are working along side new American/Aussy recently qualified doctors with collage debts of 250,000 plus for their training.
 

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I’m not sure you really understand the conversation here.

The complaint is that doctors are leaving the country and not returning because working conditions are crap.

For consultants.

Not gps.

I have to sleep now, dead battery.
Just a little rant, sorry
 

Patslatt1

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There is now a place for all snowflakes who applies for third level. Some say it's a good thing. Others would say it's causing shortages in the "blue collar, and manual jobs.
Maybe snowflakes learn useful social skills that used to be taught to rich English girls in Swiss finishing schools. Likeability and social skills are important in job interviews. Those traits would prove useful in upmarket restaurants, hotels and boutiques. Possibly when cities like Venice and Barcelona start taxing tourists for entry to keep overwhelming numbers of tourists down, Dublin's Georgian architecture will attract mass tourism and increase the market for upmarket services.
 

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And these same Irish recently qualified Doctors are working along side new American/Aussy recently qualified doctors with collage debts of 250,000 plus for their training.
I have a theory that one predictor of retention in my part of Canada is debt accumulation. The grads who are racking up debt fastest tend to have less intention of staying in a local job that would pay less. There are all sorts of predictors that deserve closer attention but some of them are politically sensitive, e.g. gender, country of origin. One surefire sign of imminent departure by any foreign doc was excessive praise of the town and its inhabitants. The ones who were staying complained a lot more, knowing their sentence was long.
 

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Irish Medical Consultants wield extrordinary power within the health service.
They also lobby extensively and effectively ( witness their takedown of Mandatory Disclosure whilst their man Leo was health minister).
That being the reality the myth that our Consultants are somehow passive victims within our health service always amuses me.
 
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