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Is Cowen tainted by association?


Supermanpolitician

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Fair enough question. We can hardly expect FF to be full of angels given their recent history? No unshamed Taoiseach since Jack Lynch.
 


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No not really. His tenures as a Minister precede the Haughey-era, unlike those of most of the national-profile FF politicians implicated in the Tribunal scandals.
 

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Yes. as is anyone who believes Bertie. Their blind belief proves them so gullible that one can only question their ability.

Could you imagine that same level of credulity in a tough EU negotiation, for example?
 

theyshootPDsdontthey

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We'll not know until he goes after the money and investigates what the situation is re: St Lukes.
 

theyshootPDsdontthey

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We now know why El Berto didn't go after Flynnstone etc
 

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Of course he is tainted, he has been standing beside Bertie for years, he might not know all the local stuff around Drumcondra, but he will know Bertie's m.o. with his mates JB,DR and TC and has to know the answers to the bigger questions/doubts otherwise how can he deny them.
Albert will have clued him up as to what he was/is dealing with in Bertie, Cowen could make a good start tonight by postponing a decision on Bev until he is in the saddle proper and call the Flynn family's bluff once and for all.
Albert could help give him a good start on Fri by putting the boot into Bertie.
 

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Shouldnt Cowan now indicate where he stand and what he proposes to do about FFmoney that seems to have gone astray
 

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Supermanpolitician said:
Fair enough question. We can hardly expect FF to be full of angels given their recent history? No unshamed Taoiseach since Jack Lynch.
Of course he is. He stated on many occasions that he believed Bertie didn't do anything wrong, so we know how low his standards are.

The fact that he is willing to let Cooper Flynn rejoin FF is further evidence of his low standards.
 

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What should the electorate do if Cowan fails to take appropriate action
 

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Rocky said:
Supermanpolitician said:
Fair enough question. We can hardly expect FF to be full of angels given their recent history? No unshamed Taoiseach since Jack Lynch.
Of course he is. He stated on many occasions that he believed Bertie didn't do anything wrong, so we know how low his standards are.

The fact that he is willing to let Cooper Flynn rejoin FF is further evidence of his low standards.
He's not Taoiseach yet so let's wait and see how it pans out. It's Bert who readmitted the great lady...

Going away pressie an all dat
 

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greengoose said:
Rocky said:
Supermanpolitician said:
Fair enough question. We can hardly expect FF to be full of angels given their recent history? No unshamed Taoiseach since Jack Lynch.
Of course he is. He stated on many occasions that he believed Bertie didn't do anything wrong, so we know how low his standards are.

The fact that he is willing to let Cooper Flynn rejoin FF is further evidence of his low standards.
He's not Taoiseach yet so let's wait and see how it pans out. It's Bert who readmitted the great lady...

Going away pressie an all dat
If Cowen opposed it, it would never have happen. However clearly he wanted to make sure that her father said the right thing as well today and doesn't care about her former actions.
 

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Guilt-by-assocation has never been a value shared by the electorate. It is only a value held by the Blueshirts and their supporters in the media. This is reflected in the polls where 64% preferred Cowen to Kenny as Taoiseach, where only 24% wanted the latter and that's lower than support for his own party. And BTW to some on this thread, it's Cowen not Cowan.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
Guilt-by-assocation has never been a value shared by the electorate. It is only a value held by the Blueshirts and their supporters in the media. This is reflected in the polls where 64% preferred Cowen to Kenny as Taoiseach, where only 24% wanted the latter and that's lower than support for his own party. And BTW to some on this thread, it's Cowen not Cowan.
BIFFO has to go after the money because we all know now why El Berto didn't. To turn a blind eye indicates that he is excusing possible theft of FF money or corruption, and would raise serious questions for himself i.e. who was he protecting? or was he in on the same racket if such a racket existed?
 

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Not by mere association but by his blind faith and failure to act to upload appropriate standards in public office. Remarkable in a way that Cowen was of the Country and Western set around Reynolds yet stood by while Bertie flailed about coming up with story after story.

There again I don't view that as Cowen's biggest weakness, instead I think his inability at any stage to take charge of any of his departments shows his real problem. Compare him to McCreevey in finance, for good or ill you knew it was his budget and that he was the driving force in it.
 

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The only way for Cowen to emerge untainted from his defense of Ahern's taking of cash for personal use and acting as Ahern's shield from accusations of impropriety, is to remove the party whip from Ahern for the remainder of his sojourn in the Dail and move to have him expelled from Fianna Fail for conduct unbecoming.
 

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Limerick Lad said:
The only way for Cowan to emerge untainted from his defense of Ahern's taking of cash for personal use and acting as Ahern's shield from accusations of impropriety, is to remove the party whip from Ahern for the remainder of his sojourn in the Dail and move to have him expelled from Fianna Fail for conduct unbecoming.
To be honest I think Cowen has already missed his chance to emerge untainted because of his defense of Bertie for so long.
 

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limerick lad, unfortunately his conduct was "becoming" that of a FF minister.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
Guilt-by-assocation has never been a value shared by the electorate. It is only a value held by the Blueshirts and their supporters in the media. This is reflected in the polls where 64% preferred Cowen to Kenny as Taoiseach, where only 24% wanted the latter and that's lower than support for his own party. And BTW to some on this thread, it's Cowen not Cowan.
stop trolling future taoiseach
 

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Absolutely, he should resign immediately, if not before. In fact while we’re at it everyone who’s not in FG should resign, on the basis that their political judgement can’t be trusted. Labour’s Ruairi Quinn particularly, he said he likes him ffs.
 

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