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Is Enda protecting Bertie's pension? (He promised to chop it to 60K!)


potholedogger

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Back before the last election Fine Gael promised (under section 17.4 Tackling Cronyism and Feather-Bedding in Politics Fine Gael Manefesto page 63) to:

1) Restrict the payment of pensions to retired politicians until they reached normal retirement age (65 years)
2) To pay such pensions to retired politicians only!
3) To cap subsidies for politicians and everyone else on pensions that would deliver in excess of €60K per year.


The same pledge was reiterated on page 21 of the programme for government.

Bertie Ahern was 61 on the 12th of September last.

Enda was 61 on the 24th of April last.

Alan Shatter was 61 on the 14th of February last

Michael Noonan was 69 on the 21st of May last. Michael's pension is secure!

Phil Hogan was 52 on the fourth of July last. He will be 65 in about 13 years time.

Brian Cowen was 52 on the 10th of January 1960

Eamon Gilmore will be 65 on the 24th of April 2020

Any intervention on pensions would save most money if it had been implemented in last year's budget

Enda the people will think you are protecting your own pension of you do not follow through on your pledge however great the difficulties on keeping the promise. It would increase your moral Authority when you face down the Political Cronies and those who are being Feather-Bedded!


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Programme for Government 2011-2016 - Full Text | Social Justice Ireland see page 21

Bertie Ahern - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Enda Kenny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Alan Shatter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Phil Hogan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Brian Cowen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eamon_Gilmore
 

culmore

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The pensions of politicians must be cut in the next budget, the simple way is an Income Tax, no need to change constitution or worry about court action with an increaase in Income Tax
 

laidback

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I'd do it by using the public service pension levy brought in under the emergency Bill introduced to deal with the financial crisis.

Our political pensioners would be paying 41% income tax + 7%USC =48% so increase the existing public pension levy on pensions over €100,000 (or lower limit?) to 50% then they pay 98% on every euro over €100,000 (or such lower limit as may be decided).

and of course no pension should be paid before normal retirement age except where long term illness enforces early retirement.
 

Ryan Tubbs

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None of the current government will be getting a penny of a pension until they reach the age of 65.

You, and the braying media, seem to constantly miss that point.
 

Eoin Coir

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Bertie, Biffo and the Cough get over 130 grand each in pensions. It must be tackled.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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None of the current government will be getting a penny of a pension until they reach the age of 65.

You, and the braying media, seem to constantly miss that point.
And that has what to do with the question asked in the OP?

Seems you might also be missing the point.
 

Howya

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But, but, but.... election "promises" and programmes for government. Since when do they mean anything?
 

Fractional Reserve

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So you are saying they will have a special income tax for exTDs and ministers !!!!!!!!!

The pensions of politicians must be cut in the next budget, the simple way is an Income Tax, no need to change constitution or worry about court action with an increaase in Income Tax
 

NLPete

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Why is he even getting a pension! he was employed to do the job...he lost the job...good luck and thanks!!
 

BlackLion

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Why would kenny cut his pension cause thats what he is doing if he cuts Berties pension. The only way I can see Kenny doing it is that if he doesn't he will lose the job. But the way our Dear acts i would say that a European pension is waiting for him in Berlin.
 

Ryan Tubbs

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And that has what to do with the question asked in the OP?.
Unfortunately the OP is a load of crap. As usual, people aren't holding the Government to their election promises - they're holding them to promises which they think they made, and which exist purely within the confines of their head.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Unfortunately the OP is a load of crap. As usual, people aren't holding the Government to their election promises - they're holding them to promises which they think they made, and which exist purely within the confines of their head.
Then say that! Stop playing the man
 

Davidoff

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The pensions of politicians must be cut in the next budget, the simple way is an Income Tax, no need to change constitution or worry about court action with an increaase in Income Tax
Precisely. Why complicate things?

Introduce a new band for very high earners.
 

hellsbells

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Back before the last election Fine Gael promised (under section 17.4 Tackling Cronyism and Feather-Bedding in Politics Fine Gael Manefesto page 63) to:

1) Restrict the payment of pensions to retired politicians until they reached normal retirement age (65 years)
2) To pay such pensions to retired politicians only!
3) To cap subsidies for politicians and everyone else on pensions that would deliver in excess of €60K per year.


The same pledge was reiterated on page 21 of the programme for government.

Bertie Ahern was 61 on the 12th of September last.

Enda was 61 on the 24th of April last.

Alan Shatter was 61 on the 14th of February last

Michael Noonan was 69 on the 21st of May last. Michael's pension is secure!

Phil Hogan was 52 on the fourth of July last. He will be 65 in about 13 years time.

Brian Cowen was 52 on the 10th of January 1960

Eamon Gilmore will be 65 on the 24th of April 2020

Any intervention on pensions would save most money if it had been implemented in last year's budget

Enda the people will think you are protecting your own pension of you do not follow through on your pledge however great the difficulties on keeping the promise. It would increase your moral Authority when you face down the Political Cronies and those who are being Feather-Bedded!


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Programme for Government 2011-2016 - Full Text | Social Justice Ireland see page 21

Bertie Ahern - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Enda Kenny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Alan Shatter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Phil Hogan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Brian Cowen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eamon Gilmore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Constitutional issues apparently ,according to fg/lab trough dwellers .As we know they don`t lie ,as such .
 

Spanner Island

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No-one should be entitled to more than €52K per year (€1,000 per week) from a public pension.

The top public pensions should be capped at €52K and if any of the parasites want more dosh in retirement, let them go out and spend their own money on a private pension to top up their golden years...

It's beyond time the Irish electorate said 'enough is enough' to the parasites who are robbing us all blind as well as all the other contemptible horse sh!te that's going on in our rotten 'establishment'.
 

Spanner Island

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Constitutional issues apparently ,according to fg/lab trough dwellers .As we know they don`t lie ,as such .
No problem. Give us another feckin' referendum on this and other similar issues and I'd bet the turnout would be a record high...

If the Constitution needs amending to bring some sanity to the gravy train parasites, then let's amend the Constitution.
 

potholedogger

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No problem. Give us another feckin' referendum on this and other similar issues and I'd bet the turnout would be a record high...

If the Constitution needs amending to bring some sanity to the gravy train parasites, then let's amend the Constitution.
Imagine the size that political salaries and pensions would be if we were not broke?

You get a full Ministerial pension here with just ten years service.

You get a full T.D.s pension here with just twenty years service.

You can claim a T.D.s pension on top of a ministerial salary on top of a public sector pension, on top of a Contributary pension.

There was a fella on a kids tv programme decades back called forty coats. My elderly neighbour is called forty tablets. We could start calling some of our politicians forty pensions!
 

Ryan Tubbs

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Potholedigger, you may have missed my earlier post, so I'll ask again:

I presume you can show us where Enda Kenny promised to cut Bertie's pension to 60k? Was it in the Fine Gael manifesto? Or a speech during the election campaign?
 
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