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Is 'Equality' The New Religion In Secular Ireland?


Radix

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Currently within the various media outlets we 'enjoy' in Ireland, I have recently seen a proliferation of people chanting the mantra that we must have, "a more equal society".

Does anyone know what this even means, and if so, how do we further this 'ideal'?

I am not posting any links to 'Equality' since there are so many, and anyway it would be an inequality (don't you know), to pick one such link above another.
 


IbrahaimMohamad

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Currently within the various media outlets we 'enjoy' in Ireland, I have recently seen a proliferation of people chanting the mantra that we must have, "a more equal society".

Does anyone know what this even means, and if so, how do we further this 'ideal'?

I am not posting any links to 'Equality' since there are so many, and anyway it would be an inequality (don't you know), to pick one such link above another.
Yes that means that they want to take all the wealth and share it equally.

Margaret Thatcher on Socialism - YouTube
 

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Currently within the various media outlets we 'enjoy' in Ireland, I have recently seen a proliferation of people chanting the mantra that we must have, "a more equal society".

Does anyone know what this even means, and if so, how do we further this 'ideal'?

I am not posting any links to 'Equality' since there are so many, and anyway it would be an inequality (don't you know), to pick one such link above another.
Unfortunately Ireland is not fully secular yet but, we're getting there.

The removal of religious involvement in the running of our schools will go a long way towards attaining this within a few generations.
 

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Currently within the various media outlets we 'enjoy' in Ireland, I have recently seen a proliferation of people chanting the mantra that we must have, "a more equal society".

Does anyone know what this even means, and if so, how do we further this 'ideal'?

I am not posting any links to 'Equality' since there are so many, and anyway it would be an inequality (don't you know), to pick one such link above another.
It depends who is talking about equality. If it's a socialist it means economic equality. If it's a liberal it means equality before the law. If it's a homosexual it means gay adoption. If it's a feminist it means more quango jobs for women.
 

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Equality is the great Lie of our age.
 

Radix

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Unfortunately Ireland is not fully secular yet but, we're getting there.

The removal of religious involvement in the running of our schools will go a long way towards attaining this within a few generations.


Where 'Equality' is concerned, is this not a moron of 'oxy' determinism?

:confused:
 

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It depends who is talking about equality. If it's a socialist it means economic equality. If it's a liberal it means equality before the law. If it's a homosexual it means gay adoption. If it's a feminist it means more quango jobs for women.
WTF? Is this the latest Hickory-Dick line on gay & women's rights?
 
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The equality they want is to drag everybody down to a level of mediocrity where anybody seeking to get ahead gets penalised. Anybody not being willing to be part of their experiment get punished.

Animal farm comes alive.
 

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It depends who is talking about equality. If it's a socialist it means economic equality. If it's a liberal it means equality before the law. If it's a homosexual it means gay adoption. If it's a feminist it means more quango jobs for women.
classical liberalism is straight forward equality before the law, modern day, bastardised, so called "liberalism", is not really about equality before the law or equality in general since it confers privileges to special groups in society, be they racial minorities or gays etc.

"Affirmative action" in the U.S is a good example of this, since this practice awards less competent individuals from certain racial minorities at the expense of more competent whites. I would also include "incitement to hatred" legislation or "anti discrimination" laws that infringe on freedom of speech, freedom of association and private property rights, so not only are they about confering special privileges, but about infringing on the rights of others which many would argue are more fundamental(ie private property, freedom of association)
 

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Currently within the various media outlets we 'enjoy' in Ireland, I have recently seen a proliferation of people chanting the mantra that we must have, "a more equal society".

Does anyone know what this even means, and if so, how do we further this 'ideal'?

I am not posting any links to 'Equality' since there are so many, and anyway it would be an inequality (don't you know), to pick one such link above another.
It's simple - Equality is the antithesis of discriminatory.
 

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Where 'Equality' is concerned, is this not a moron of 'oxy' determinism?

:confused:
Not at all.

It's a statement of fact. For too long our schools have been used as a means to spread one particular "brand" of religion. The sooner the better that comes to an end....
 

pragmaticapproach

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Not at all.

It's a statement of fact. For too long our schools have been used as a means to spread one particular "brand" of religion. The sooner the better that comes to an end....
Then facilitate greater school choice by means of a voucher system. We need to scale back state involvement in the education system. People need more liberty not equality. Its not the states job to dictate to parents where they should educate their kids.
 

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Then facilitate greater school choice by means of a voucher system. We need to scale back state involvement in the education system. People need more liberty not equality. Its not the states job to dictate to parents where they should educate their kids.
No.

Just remove religion from schools entirely and let the parents take care of religious teaching. It will take a few generations but it will eventually happen.
 

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"Affirmative action" in the U.S is a good example of this, since this practice awards less competent individuals from certain racial minorities at the expense of more competent whites.
Affirmative action is a national scandal in america. It is clearly discriminatory against whites.
 

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I doubt even those who advocate "greater equality" believe that equality is actually possible. But it's a handy way for them to develop a life-long career - moving the goalposts after each goal has been scored.
 

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No.

Just remove religion from schools entirely and let the parents take care of religious teaching. It will take a few generations but it will eventually happen.
Then religious education in schools will fade away gradually as the demand for it weakens,. Who in your opinion should do the "removing"?
 

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1. Equality is not a religion - it is an objective. It has no leader, prophet, good book, etc
2. Ireland is not secular. It cannot be when most schools are privately owned by religious groups. Or when it's Constitutuon begins with
"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,

We, the people of Éire,

Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,..."

3. Equality is not a simple concept and its application is divided between equality of outcome and equality of opportunity. The Constitutuon qualifies it to a large degree:
"All citizens shall, as human persons, be held equal before the law.
This shall not be held to mean that the State shall not in its enactments have due regard to differences of capacity, physical and moral, and of social function."

4. Treating different circumstances the same is not equality but a form of injustice.
5. Separate but equal is a discredited concept.
6. There is simple no basis for not providing marriage equality in civil ceremonies.
7. Income inequality has grown under Labour/Fg.
8. All people are not born equal, some are quite think as shown by some of the contributers on this thread.
 

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classical liberalism is straight forward equality before the law, modern day, bastardised, so called "liberalism", is not really about equality before the law or equality in general since it confers privileges to special groups in society, be they racial minorities or gays etc.

"Affirmative action" in the U.S is a good example of this, since this practice awards less competent individuals from certain racial minorities at the expense of more competent whites. I would also include "incitement to hatred" legislation or "anti discrimination" laws that infringe on freedom of speech, freedom of association and private property rights, so not only are they about confering special privileges, but about infringing on the rights of others which many would argue are more fundamental(ie private property, freedom of association)
The part you fail to acknowledge is that the minorities were discriminated against and that discrimination lead to a situation where those groups lagged behind in many areas. Simply addressing the inequality in the law does not solve anything with regard to the social damage discriminatory policies did. Unless you take action to address these imbalances the situation will perpetuate. Positive discrimination is an attempt to address those imbalances.
 

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Then religious education in schools will fade away gradually as the demand for it weakens,. Who in your opinion should do the "removing"?
That's exactly what's needed.

It will be a gradual removing by the Government as it takes over control of the schools. Hasn't it begun already.... hasn't Quinn started this already ?

This is slightly off topic but I was just pointing out to the OP that we are not, as yet, a secular society.
 

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The equality they want is to drag everybody down to a level of mediocrity where anybody seeking to get ahead gets penalised. Anybody not being willing to be part of their experiment get punished.

Animal farm comes alive.
You nailed it, just like Labours and Joe Higgin's economic plans for recovery ? they simply do not exist.We all know what we need but they cannot explain HOW we do it.

A meritocracy based on results is the most logical path to achieve goals, Alex Ferguson / Michael O Leary are such types.

They are totally ruthless but they have a clear strategy on HOW they will achieve their results. It is madness to endorse discrimination as feminists would against men for the system of quotas that must be filled by women based on rubbish logic, it would not bother anyone if the whole government was comprised of women that knew what they were doing.

But sure they will probably make all the Black Sprinters carry a sack of spuds in the next Olympics as this will improve equality for the other runners? same thing really, handicap the fast so the slow feel better? utter madness.

Would anyone let lefty inexperienced Gilmore/Bacik/O Riordhain/etc run their company? you may as well turn off the lights at the end of the shift.
 

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