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Is FG capitulation now complete? (Croke pk, prop tax, gay marriage & now abortion)


Big Brother

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FG have accepted Labour's view on the Croke Park deal.

Ditching their own manifesto commitment on property tax (page 59 of manifesto) they've let Labour win on that and are even getting their own Minister Phil Hogan to implement it.

FG's own Ard Fheis has voted in favour of same sex marriage legislation

And an FG Health Minister has promised Clare Daly legislation on abortion and appointed a pro abortion medic to head Savita inquiry and a former pro abortion advocate to head up HSE. So clealry legalisation of abortion is imminent.

So my question is: Is FG's capitulation to Labour now complete?

Or are there any other shreds of FG's values and policies that remain to be given up on?
 
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Sorry forgot to add one more thing: Giving Labour control of education policy so they can pursue their agenda there too.
 

MacO'velli

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How about country and western style gombeenisim? India, phill, dicey, frankie fagin,michael ring and John perry. Although labour have adopted this in spades with gilmour and Keaveney leading the charge.
 

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FG have accepted Labour's view on the Croke Park deal.

Ditching their own manifesto commitment on property tax (page 59 of manifesto) they've let Labour win on that and are even getting their own Minister Phil Hogan to implement it.

FG's own Ard Fheis has voted in favour of same sex marriage legislation

And an FG Health Minister has promised Clare Daly legislation on abortion and appointed a pro abortion medic to head Savita inquiry and a former pro abortion advocate to head up HSE. So clealry legalisation of abortion is imminent.

So my question is: Is FG's capitulation to Labour now complete?

Or are there any other shreds of FG's values and policies that remain to be given up on?
How can you blame Labour for a motion passed at a FG Ard Fheis?
 

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How can you blame Labour for a motion passed at a FG Ard Fheis?
Not blaming Labour as such.

In fact I'd compliment them for getting there way on nearly everything.

But that motion was passed without a debate - no opposing voices were accepted from the floor.

Looks like FG have even adopted democratic centralist philosophy of WP in how they run their Ard Fheiseanna
 

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Sorry forgot to add one more thing: Giving Labour control of education policy so they can pursue their agenda there too.


Ooooh, g'wan tell us whats Labours education agenda?
 

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Ooooh, g'wan tell us whats Labours education agenda?
To use - with their allies in the media - the crimes of about 1% of priests to remove the 99% who did nothing but good for the children of this country.

That way they can create their ideal: A mediocre state run system that produces welfare dependents run by trade unions who fund them and who produce good left wing voters for the future.
 

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Not blaming Labour as such.

In fact I'd compliment them for getting there way on nearly everything.

But that motion was passed without a debate - no opposing voices were accepted from the floor.

Looks like FG have even adopted democratic centralist philosophy of WP in how they run their Ard Fheiseanna
Both parties are keeping their traditional voters (relatively) happy. Labour the liberal/PS vote and FG the farmers/business/professions/conservative vote. Funny how it might be something like an abortion referendum that will cause the coalition to unravel.
 

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Both parties are keeping their traditional voters (relatively) happy. Labour the liberal/PS vote and FG the farmers/business/professions/conservative vote. Funny how it might be something like an abortion referendum that will cause the coalition to unravel.
I certainly think Labour keeping the PS vote and the liberal vote (though losing some welfare/lower income PS workers).

But FG?

They'll keep the farmers all right.

But business & professional vote fed up with govt raiding their pensions while keeping Croke Park gravy train intact.

As for conservative base, they're suspicious of childrens referendum vote although mkost probably supported it they now see same sex marriage and abortion coming down the tracks.

Major opportunity for FF to win them back - even though FF still disliked people will still vote for them strategically to express anger. That Michael Martin most popular (or, more accurately, least unpopular) leader says it all.

Incidentally, masterful stroke by Howlin using backdrop of Savita to announce extension of Croke Park shows how Labour are really pulling the strings in government - manipulating the media to get their agenda lock stock & barrel.

You have to hand it them, really.

FG have handed it (power) to them on a plate.
 

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To steal schools from Catholics and to impose anti-Catholic teachers on Catholic children.
You more than likely agree that the Leader of the Catholics in our Country, think's it ok for Children not to tell their Parents when they are been abused by Catholic priests.
 

mr. jings

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To use - with their allies in the media - the crimes of about 1% of priests to remove the 99% who did nothing but good for the children of this country.
Er...there was a little more to it than that - or haven't you read the reports. Plus the Church lied its ass off when entering the Wood deal about the extent of abuse, their role in covering it up, and their perpetuation of abuse by serial predators left to run amok. Anyway the secularisation of the school system is not just about a kneejerk reaction to the abuse scandal. Ireland has moved on, and the separation of Church and State is part of this progress.


That way they can create their ideal: A mediocre state run system that produces welfare dependents run by trade unions who fund them and who produce good left wing voters for the future.
Even if I accept the warped logic and lack of causal links in the above, might I point out that our State has been mediocre enough on many counts on the Church's watch, which also managed to produce welfare dependants and trade unions (both slurs I take it). As for the production of good left wing voters for the future, why that's just wishful thinking...
 

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To steal schools from Catholics and to impose anti-Catholic teachers on Catholic children.
Really...?

As someone who got the sh1te beaten out me on a semi regular basis by the so called 'Christian Bros' they did a pretty good job of turning me off religion for life....

I reckon there is quite a few others who feel the same as well...........
 

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Really...?

As someone who got the sh1te beaten out me on a semi regular basis by the so called 'Christian Bros' they did a pretty good job of turning me off religion for life....

I reckon there is quite a few others who feel the same as well...........



i wonder???????? If there was a referendum to decide whether the Catholic Church should be removed from the education system I wonder what would the result be and I also wonder would those for or against be willing to accept that outcome?
 

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I think Labour are pushing the liberal agenda at full speed because:

A) They have to comply with Troika demands, so they badly need a few wins that they can point to on the ‘Champaign socialist D4 dinner party circuit’, while they sacrifice the working poor in much the same manner that the Greens buggered the country, just so that they could ban stag hunting.

B) The know that it’ll be a generation before they will be in such a position of power again. They are fully aware of the mess that they are making but figure that it’s better to make an unholy mess of the nation then allow the opportunity to kick the church slip by.
 

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To use - with their allies in the media - the crimes of about 1% of priests to remove the 99% who did nothing but good for the children of this country.

That way they can create their ideal: A mediocre state run system that produces welfare dependents run by trade unions who fund them and who produce good left wing voters for the future.
While those with half a brain and a bit of initiative, get up and go, will have sensibly got thier asses as far away as possible to a country which values enterprise and self sufficiency/self reliance.
 

DaveMc

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All they are short now is to have Sinead O'Connor stand for them in the next
election, oh wait, that can't happen as she does not have the necessary qualification of being the holder of an inter county / inter bred GAA medal!
 
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