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Is France Falling Apart Thread?

BACKTOBASICS

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It stated off like that but the thugs infiltrated and have made it into something else.
I presume you are talking about the French police who instigate all the violence with blast bombs, tear gas and water cannon attacks on ordinary French citizens protesting against the loss of sovereignty inflicted on them by Macron who is following orders from his EU global masters.

It is amazing to see week after week of protests and the marchers come dressed in unprotective clothing to walk the gauntlet of heavy-handed ruthless police attacks.

I would have thought the marchers have a right to protect themselves by taking counter measures to defend themselves by say, spreading oil on the roads to prevent squads of police attacking them, form units of defenders in squads of 30 armed with batons, i.e. fight fire with fire - copy the police tactics.

If the French protesters meekly walk the streets they will get nowhere. They need to show a bit of fight too.

If this continues, and unarmed protesters are constantly being attacked and killed and seriously injured by the French police, it can only end badly, with open civil armed conflict on the streets of France.

Is this what the EU and its lackeys, Macron and HIS police are encouraging.
 
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There was a shocking video this weekend of a couple being attacked for apparently little or no reason by CRS riot police in Toulouse:
https://actu.orange.fr/france/videos/toulouse-un-couple-moleste-par-des-crs-CNT000001dr3sG.html

The CRS claimed that the woman had tried to grab a gas canister from them, but witnesses to the incident say they didn't see anything of the sort.

Significantly, the couple don't appear to have been involved in the protests, but just to have been trying to get through the police blockade.
 

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I presume you are talking about the French police who instigate all the violence with blast bombs, tear gas and water cannon attacks on ordinary French citizens protesting against the loss of sovereignty inflicted on them by Macron who is following orders from his EU global masters.

It is amazing to see week after week of protests and the marchers come dressed in unprotective clothing to walk the gauntlet of heavy-handed ruthless police attacks.

I would have thought the marchers have a right to protect themselves by taking counter measures to defend themselves by say, spreading oil on the roads to prevent squads of police attacking them, form units of defenders in squads of 30 armed with batons, i.e. fight fire with fire - copy the police tactics.

If the French protesters meekly walk the streets they will get nowhere. They need to show a bit of fight too.

If this continues, and unarmed protesters are constantly being attacked and killed and seriously injured by the French police, it can only end badly, with open civil armed conflict on the streets of France.

Is this what the EU and its lackeys, Macron and HIS police are encouraging.
Most French people now want this nonsense to stop. The Gilet Jaunes knackers get involved in fights and wreak havoc and destruction everywhere they go. They now serve no end but bolstering the FN.

Funnily enough in Paris on Sunday there were more protesters against Bouteflika than there were Gilet Jaunes on Saturday. And unsurprisingly, there were zero problems and zero arrests on Sunday.
 

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It used to be the case that when Ireland plays France at rugby, Ireland would need to be two converted tries ahead going into the final quarter in order to keep hold of a good chance to win the game. But this season such rule has not applied, and Ireland's game today, Ireland's sustained dominance for both halves, reminds us that all is not well in France and that no amount of inspirational upbeat pronouncements by Le President Emmanuel Macron can change that.
Lord Byron once observed how 'While stands the Coliseum, Rome shall stand", which in the modern era can broadly be interpreted as 'while France stands, the EU stands', but the failure of France rugby today serves only to make us once again inspect the famous utterance of Marie Antoinette: 'let them eat cake'; was she speaking with contempt for the ordinary citizens of France, or was she speaking with the utter desperation of a woman eating cake but once a week with her friends in the finest of circumstances, got to keep up those appearances even when you're starving
 

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http://m.leparisien.fr/seine-saint-denis-93/saint-denis-l-orgue-de-la-basilique-degrade-apres-une-intrusion-05-03-2019-8025483.php?fbclid=IwAR1vXFjMA2mUiBf4tJkT4TmEkpPv_Werj4-789-cYrgFHZq1-AfAuHn5R08

The Basilicia of St Denis, where the French kings were buried until they were thrown into a pit during the French Revolution, has been vandalised. Stained glass windows were smashed and the 19th century organ damaged. This building was previously stormed by pro immigration and Leftist groups.
The area around it is a total kip, a no go area greatly enriched by the new comers.
 

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  1. [B]George Galloway[/B]‏Verified account @[B]georgegalloway[/B] 9h9 hours ago
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    Why is there so little interest among the British left about the six months of pitched battles on the streets of #France involving hundreds of thousands of working class people including the mass left-wing trade union CGT and the security forces of Napoleon Macron? #GiletsJaunes
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    I remember the shock and horror of some "leftist" when I said that given the facts on the ground, in spite of her scary surname, Le Pen may well have been the lesser of two evils as at least she is somewhat anti-war/anti-cold war.
 

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  1. [B]George Galloway[/B]‏Verified account @[B]georgegalloway[/B] 9h9 hours ago
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    Why is there so little interest among the British left about the six months of pitched battles on the streets of #France involving hundreds of thousands of working class people including the mass left-wing trade union CGT and the security forces of Napoleon Macron? #GiletsJaunes
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    I remember the shock and horror of some "leftist" when I said that given the facts on the ground, in spite of her scary surname, Le Pen may well have been the lesser of two evils as at least she is somewhat anti-war/anti-cold war.
Galloway needs to know that the movement is an amalgamation at this stage of both extremeties of the political spectrum. It is both right and left.
 

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Galloway needs to know that the movement is an amalgamation at this stage of both extremeties of the political spectrum. It is both right and left.
Looking at the people taking part - they are ordinary citizens - 'left' and 'right' are media and political wordings - a useful tool by the EU and globalists to use 'far right' and 'far left' as a tactic to divide and conquer their citizens. It looks like the French protesters have recognised this tactic and are uniting - left, middle, and right, that is, all demographics. All have suffered at the hands of ruthless violent political policing for six months now.

And let's not forget, the police too, are useful tools in these situations, attacking the very people they take an oath to protect will not end well for them either once they have done their dirty work for the EU globalists.
 
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Turns out France isn't falling apart. I think the English saying "Don't get into a knife fight with a Norman" may bear translation here.
 

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Turns out France isn't falling apart. I think the English saying "Don't get into a knife fight with a Norman" may bear translation here.
Gandhi, I think, when asked did he think the French Revolution was a success said it's toi early to tell
 

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Turns out France isn't falling apart. I think the English saying "Don't get into a knife fight with a Norman" may bear translation here.

Yeah ..everything is just wonderful in Macrons neo liberal paradise .....Jupiter really is radiating his Godly powers


In the past three months, over 50 hospital emergency rooms across France have held strike action with doctors and health workers complaining of funding cuts, a government reduction in the number of beds and a serious lack of medical staff leading to dire working conditions for emergency room staff.

Meanwhile

Oh and this reduction in growth forecast (to a paltry 1.4%) is BEFORE Macrons 5 billion tax plans are taken into account.


You're right ..everything is great, no problems in France at all:rolleyes:
 

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Turns out France isn't falling apart. I think the English saying "Don't get into a knife fight with a Norman" may bear translation here.
The whole "France is falling apart" thing was a load of bollocks anyway.

The gilets jaunes had zero effect on the European elections, they put forward no candidates, and still have no coherent agenda, except that they are against bad stuff.

France has problems, of course, but no worse than any European country. Let's hear it for the Tories' neo-liberal austerity in the UK !!!

PS Macron's approval levels approach those of Donald Trump.

 

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The whole "France is falling apart" thing was a load of bollocks anyway.

The gilets jaunes had zero effect on the European elections, they put forward no candidates, and still have no coherent agenda, except that they are against bad stuff.

France has problems, of course, but no worse than any European country. Let's hear it for the Tories' neo-liberal austerity in the UK !!!

PS Macron's approval levels approach those of Donald Trump.


You missed the bit where Macrons EM (His initials :ROFLMAO:) were over taken by Marie Le Pens party in those European elections?
And yet you think The Gilet Jaune protest had "zero" effect

Ahhhh, you really do love shoehorning anything that fits your "everything great here with us EU federalists" narrative and ignoring the herd of rather large elephants in the room ...don't you?

(BTW his approval rating you're raving about is 40% ..that means 60% think hes not very good!)
 

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In the past three months, over 50 hospital emergency rooms across France have held strike action with doctors and health workers complaining of funding cuts, a government reduction in the number of beds and a serious lack of medical staff leading to dire working conditions for emergency room staff.
I hope strikes are not a benchmark for France falling apart. If so, it's been falling apart as long as I can remember.

Meanwhile, I spent most of April and a portion of May there, and I have to see it's still a lovely country. There are things that are worse than Ireland, but plenty of areas where we could learn a lot.
 

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I hope strikes are not a benchmark for France falling apart. If so, it's been falling apart as long as I can remember.

Meanwhile, I spent most of April and a portion of May there, and I have to see it's still a lovely country. There are things that are worse than Ireland, but plenty of areas where we could learn a lot.
They are on their Fifth Republic, so that tells you something.

You can interpret that in two ways
  • The fu*k up regularly, OR
  • They have an amazing capacity for re-invention
 

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You missed the bit where Macrons EM (His initials :ROFLMAO:) were over taken by Marie Le Pens party in those European elections?
And yet you think The Gilet Jaune protest had "zero" effect

Ahhhh, you really do love shoehorning anything that fits your "everything great here with us EU federalists" narrative and ignoring the herd of rather large elephants in the room ...don't you?

(BTW his approval rating you're raving about is 40% ..that means 60% think hes not very good!)
Same as Trump then .... but we are also told he is a shoo-in for re-election, though that is not my own opinion.

The percentage vote for Le Pen's RN actually fell by 1%, since the last European Election. We can take it that she has maxxed out at 24% of the vote, and in a Presidential Election (assuming she gets past a left-wing candidate in the first round), she can hardly expect to get much more than the 33% she got last time.

OTOH, I would not talk up Macron unduly, but it is clear he is no Francois Hollande.
 

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I hope strikes are not a benchmark for France falling apart. If so, it's been falling apart as long as I can remember.

Meanwhile, I spent most of April and a portion of May there, and I have to see it's still a lovely country. There are things that are worse than Ireland, but plenty of areas where we could learn a lot.

But thats exactly it though isn't it
It has been falling apart for ages . I would suggest even more than the UK it has an enormous ego and still thinks its a major world player , when in fact , its struggling to face up to its post colonial status and loss of prestige and in many ways ...income.

Macron wants to use the EU to underwrite French debts ,and he wants to slash the social element of the 5th Republic in a Blairite/Thatcherite liberalisation while using the EU as a vehicle for France to strut the world stage as a power (again)............

Funnily enough ..hes running into massive opposition both home and abroad ...and his enormous self regard doesnt exactly help either

And yes its a stunningly beautiful country ....nightlife is not up to much but it is very beautiful
 

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But thats exactly it though isn't it
It has been falling apart for ages . I would suggest even more than the UK it has an enormous ego and still thinks its a major world player , when in fact , its struggling to face up to its post colonial status and loss of prestige and in many ways ...income.

Macron wants to use the EU to underwrite French debts ,and he wants to slash the social element of the 5th Republic in a Blairite/Thatcherite liberalisation while using the EU as a vehicle for France to strut the world stage as a power (again)............

Funnily enough ..hes running into massive opposition both home and abroad ...and his enormous self regard doesnt exactly help either

And yes its a stunningly beautiful country ....nightlife is not up to much but it is very beautiful
Just because a politician runs into opposition, does not mean he is finished. Macron is not finished.

Gerhart Schroeder was the SPD Chancellor of Germany from 1998 to 2005, and introduced labour reforms much like Macron's. Yes, they were Blairite but Schroeder is credited with leaving the German economy in much better shape for the Great Recession that many others (including the US).

Again, Macron might well crash and burn but it is premature to write him off. He strikes me as a fairly resourceful dude.


PS I agree he screwed up the carbon tax. There were much smarter ways to achieve the same result.
 

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Just because a politician runs into opposition, does not mean he is finished. Macron is not finished.

Gerhart Schroeder was the SPD Chancellor of Germany from 1998 to 2005, and introduced labour reforms much like Macron's. Yes, they were Blairite but Schroeder is credited with leaving the German economy in much better shape for the Great Recession that many others (including the US).

Again, Macron might well crash and burn but it is premature to write him off. He strikes me as a fairly resourceful dude.


PS I agree he screwed up the carbon tax. There were much smarter ways to achieve the same result.

Social Democracy and Social Democrats (Economic right wing tories and neo liberals that can live with gay marriage and abortion) hadn't been found out ,and weren't the absolute pariahs in 2005 that they are in 2019.

Since then theres been a small economic crash that has hardened attitudes to Red Tories like Macron , and exposed their love of the market lead economy, large financial institutions and cosying up to big business at the expense of not just the working classes but the middle classes too ...you might have noticed it ......started around 2008 ....made the news a bit.

Macron was voted in because he wasn't Marie Le Pen ......... not sure that enough to get him elected Twice ...especially as he's been outed as the smuggest of smug Twats
 


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