Is irish language the dominion of bullies, scroungers, troublemakers and rule breakers ?

Spirit Of Newgrange

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Under normal circumstances, the purpose of a language is to communicate. End of. It is imbued with a shared culture and history, sure. But what other world languages could get us to some of the bizarre scenarios described below ?

- Angry man walks into a school ( normal school, not gaelschool) and wishes to address the teacher about some grievance with his kids. Does so in Irish. Teacher thinks ''oh, sh...t, better get the gaeilgeoir who teaches in the classroom at the end of the corridor''.

- Gardai arrest a man for violent affray. Man insists the whole transaction is carried out in Irish. Gardai think ''oh no, not again''

- Planning application posted outside my property. As Gaeilge. Deliberate attempt to befuddle, confuse and introduce opacity into the whole proceduer.

- Romanian national Mihai Avadenei seeks to overturn a drink driving conviction on account of it not being provided in irish. A language we can assume he barely knows.

- Enda Kenny throwing his weight about in the Dail chamber by gibbering nonsense which he knows 98% of the public will not understand.

- SF in the North, rubbing the DUP's face in it. Like two bald kids in a playground fighting over a comb. Given the massive loss of life during the troubles, there is nothing funny about this kind of brinkmanship.

- EU institutions and documents. Scroungers on the gravy train to translate documents that nobody will ever read.

- Public transport freeloaders who travel without a valid ticket. Insisting that all interactions with ticket inspectors are conducted in Irish.

- Supermarket staff, upset at Polish nationals (work colleagues) speaking their language among each other, retaliate with Gaeilge as a deliberate attempt to exclude, bully and posture. As the Poles disappear off to the stockroom , these staff members revert back to speaking in English.

- Grants, dole, handouts etc.

- what other examples ?
 


fifilawe

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my , have you a massive chip on your shoulder about the irish language?
I recommend you see a counsellor and get all that crap out of your system.
you seem like an ambulance chasing driver deliberately going out of your way looking for "incidents". Maybe a while on the ganga might calm your nerves but it is almost everything you post has a go at the language of our ancestors and predecessors.If you are not of Celtic stock it perhaps shows in your antipathy to anything concerned with Teanga dúchas na tíre a bhí anseo ar domhan i bhfad sular raibh an Sacs-Bhéarla a úsáideann tú.
 

milipod

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Under normal circumstances, the purpose of a language is to communicate. End of. It is imbued with a shared culture and history, sure. But what other world languages could get us to some of the bizarre scenarios described below ?

- Angry man walks into a school ( normal school, not gaelschool) and wishes to address the teacher about some grievance with his kids. Does so in Irish. Teacher thinks ''oh, sh...t, better get the gaeilgeoir who teaches in the classroom at the end of the corridor''.

- Gardai arrest a man for violent affray. Man insists the whole transaction is carried out in Irish. Gardai think ''oh no, not again''

- Planning application posted outside my property. As Gaeilge. Deliberate attempt to befuddle, confuse and introduce opacity into the whole proceduer.

- Romanian national Mihai Avadenei seeks to overturn a drink driving conviction on account of it not being provided in irish. A language we can assume he barely knows.

- Enda Kenny throwing his weight about in the Dail chamber by gibbering nonsense which he knows 98% of the public will not understand.

- SF in the North, rubbing the DUP's face in it. Like two bald kids in a playground fighting over a comb. Given the massive loss of life during the troubles, there is nothing funny about this kind of brinkmanship.

- EU institutions and documents. Scroungers on the gravy train to translate documents that nobody will ever read.

- Public transport freeloaders who travel without a valid ticket. Insisting that all interactions with ticket inspectors are conducted in Irish.

- Supermarket staff, upset at Polish nationals (work colleagues) speaking their language among each other, retaliate with Gaeilge as a deliberate attempt to exclude, bully and posture. As the Poles disappear off to the stockroom , these staff members revert back to speaking in English.

- Grants, dole, handouts etc.

- what other examples ?
Are you ok?
 

hollandia

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Wow. P.ie "How to" episode 47. If you get your árse handed to you on several threads - just start another one on the same topic!
 

ThatsReasonable

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It's the face concern for our Polish friends that makes me laugh...
 

fifilawe

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maybe Newgrange you would to go a step further than Cromwell and send us all Gaeilgeoirí to an island in the Southern Pacific , burn all Irish texts much the same as the Nazis did with the Hebrew/Jewish/Yiddish texts, take all Irish content off the Web have your own special gas chambers where you can burn all traces of the Irish language and anyone who dare speak it.Is this what you have in mind? Your true colours are showing but your mask has slipped a long time ago!
 

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Go réidh! a bhean na dtri mbo,
as do bhólacht ná bi teann;
do chonnairc meise gan go
bean is ba dhá mhó a beann.

[Translation: jealousy will get you nowhere and pride comes before a fall.]
 

blokesbloke

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OP you clearly have a massive issue with the Irish language which belies your half-hearted disclaimer about shared culture at the beginning of the OP.

The first three examples are people using Irish to act the maggot (but that is not the fault of the language and two individuals are hardly a representative sample, especially as one of them couldn’t even speak Irish) but your true feelings were revealed in your comment about Enda Kenny where you refer to his use of Irish as “gibberish”.

A language is not gibberish just because you cannot understand it.

If Irish cannot be used in the Dail where can it be used?

Translation is available in the Dail to ensure everyone can understand what Enda is saying so I don’t see how it can be seen as an attempt to avoid answering.

I have also seen Enda using Irish in the Dail and he happily accepts questions posed to him in English so it’s not like he insists on having a translation before he answers to give him more time to consider his response or anything sneaky like that.
 

sethjem7

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Honestly, some people treat this place like it’s their diary. Demented stuff.
 

Gin Soaked

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There are cranks and tossers in every walk of life.

Some will use Irish as a way to be a cranks or tosser or to obfuscate.

But that is not the language's fault.

I would argue that anyone wishing to converse with the state in Irish must have the competence in the language to do so, and that any planning application must have the public communication aspects of said application submitted in both languages.

The Romanian drink driving case is pure legal tossery....

But tossers will be tossers.
 
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OP you clearly have a massive issue with the Irish language which belies your half-hearted disclaimer about shared culture.

The first three examples are people using Irish to act the maggot but your true feelings were revealed in your comment about Enda Kenny where you refer to his use of Irish as “gibberish”.

A language is not gibberish just because you cannot understand it.

If Irish cannot be used in the Dail where can it be used?
Hiya. Good to see you about the place.
 

statsman

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OP you clearly have a massive issue with the Irish language which belies your half-hearted disclaimer about shared culture at the beginning of the OP.

The first three examples are people using Irish to act the maggot (but that is not the fault of the language and two individuals are hardly a representative sample, especially as one of them couldn’t even speak Irish) but your true feelings were revealed in your comment about Enda Kenny where you refer to his use of Irish as “gibberish”.

A language is not gibberish just because you cannot understand it.

If Irish cannot be used in the Dail where can it be used?

Translation is available in the Dail to ensure everyone can understand what Enda is saying so I don’t see how it can be seen as an attempt to avoid answering.

I have also seen Enda using Irish in the Dail and he happily accepts questions posed to him in English so it’s not like he insists on having a translation before he answers to give him more time to consider his response or anything sneaky like that.
Have a blokesboke's Post of the Week award, for old time's sake!
 

blokesbloke

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Was Irish forbidden to be spoken at Newgrange, OP?
 


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