Is it now incumbent on the Irish Government to create a White Paper on Irish Unity?

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I am an Irish Catholic born reared communion, confirmation (the works). My people were Fianna Fail supporters. I cannot understand why anyone who lived in the most corrupt state in the world would want to force the Population of the North to join the republic. We have no rights and this Politics.ie is an example of that.
The day of the catholic are numbered , the days of FF are long gone . If we have a referendum or indeed a white paper we would not be forcing anyone to do anything , It would be a case of the majority decide ...as we agreed . Perhaps now would not be the right time but we should have the groundwork in place because when it happens it will probably be suddenly.
 


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It is incumbent on the Irish Government and diplomatic corps to keep its head down and it's mouth shut, respect the GFA in spirit and to the letter and sit tight.
 

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It is incumbent on the Irish Government and diplomatic corps to keep its head down and it's mouth shut, respect the GFA in spirit and to the letter and sit tight.
The gfa confirms that a Uí is a legitimate aspiration.

Asking for it
Planning for it
talking about it
saying you want to see it

Are all OK.

The principle of consent means respecting the right of a majority in the north to say no or yes. That is all.
 

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The gfa confirms that a Uí is a legitimate aspiration.

Asking for it
Planning for it
talking about it
saying you want to see it

Are all OK.

The principle of consent means respecting the right of a majority in the north to say no or yes. That is all.
Do you mean OK as in "not in contravention of the GFA" or OK as in "not counterproductive to achieving the most bleeding obvious long-term aspiration on the island of Ireland"?

Because they're two very different sorts of OK.
 

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Both the letter and the spirit of the GFA is that the future of NI rests in the hands of the people of NI, without interference from outside. Any sugh plan would be seenm especially on the Unionist side, as gross interference.
I'd generally agree, and certainly to appoint a department with that purpose specified would be antagonistic to say the least.

I would be surprised if there weren't some contingency documents already in place, though.There would, for example, be potential ilitary and policing issues in the immediate aftermath of any such vote. Of course there would be a protracted lead up to any such referendums, but some of the potential issues need to be considered well in advance.

As a basis for the opening of talks in the event that reunification gets the go-ahead, I would suggest that the Irish government examine in detail how the British handled Brexit and do the opposite in every detail.
 

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I'd generally agree, and certainly to appoint a department with that purpose specified would be antagonistic to say the least.

I would be surprised if there weren't some contingency documents already in place, though.There would, for example, be potential ilitary and policing issues in the immediate aftermath of any such vote. Of course there would be a protracted lead up to any such referendums, but some of the potential issues need to be considered well in advance.

As a basis for the opening of talks in the event that reunification gets the go-ahead, I would suggest that the Irish government examine in detail how the British handled Brexit and do the opposite in every detail.
Of course there will be confidential discussions going on inside government and the civil service; they need to remain confidential, for now at least.
 
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No, the UK will have to pay nothing. As soon as a majority votes for it, that is it.

Mind you not sure there will ever be a majority voting for it in the south while they would be voting to increase their own personal tax bills by thousands a year to pay for people they feel no affinity to.
The divorce analogy is a good one.

The UK will be paying child support until the kids come of age.

When the time comes, there will be no small amount of negotiation regarding the figure.
 

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Of course there will be confidential discussions going on inside government and the civil service; they need to remain confidential, for now at least.
Indeed.

Any public preparation by the government would be completely out of the question.

I know that some are saying that Brexit could be an enabler of reuinification.

The other side of that coin could be that the throes of pain and uncertainty engulfing and stultifying UK politics over Brexit might dull the appetite for change.

Reunification would be an immensely complex. Change of currency, handover of the apparatus, policing, dismantling of strategic British assets ensuring the continuation of devolutionetc etc.

Hell, the fleg alone could take years of heated discussion.

On top of that, NI industry and agri might have to be realigned in order to come back into thee EU.

Any UK government involved might look back nostalgiacally on the days of Brexit. "Ah, simpler times", they'll sigh.
 

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The reality is that the Government of Ireland needs to ratify a vote by referendum which is the only way of altering the Irish constitution. That section of the GFA merely recognises that this is the legal method used in Ireland as in the UK it is necessary to pass a statute to formally change the British constitution.
The govt of Ireland "needs to ratify a vote by referendum"?! :confused:

What the fùck are you on about? :lol:

And how could NI 'automatically' leave the UK if parliament has to pass a law in order for it to happen?

Seriously, your fantasies of being lawyer suggest a mental illness.
 

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Really??? But Unionism in Ireland is finished.

Latest BBC poll says it will happen soon - even the last DUP leader Peter Robinson just a few days ago was calling for talks about the restoration of the territorial integrity of Ireland before the reunification of Ireland vote even takes place. This follows the story broke by Channel 4 News that senior level Unionists are already negotiating with the Irish Government about the reunification of Ireland. http://www.politics.ie/forum/northern-ireland/263957-breaking-news-senior-level-unionists-negotiating-irish-government-about-reunification-ireland.html

 

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The gfa confirms that a Uí is a legitimate aspiration.

Asking for it
Planning for it
talking about it
saying you want to see it

Are all OK.

The principle of consent means respecting the right of a majority in the north to say no or yes. That is all.
Whilst the UK Govt. are slitting their own throat ( with boastful pride), tactically the wise thing is to remain silent and unobtrusive and try to avoid the blood spatter
 

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Whilst the UK Govt. are slitting their own throat ( with boastful pride), tactically the wise thing is to remain silent and unobtrusive and try to avoid the blood spatter
I would agree with your sentiment, however, unlike the UK government we should be talking about plans B,C and D, while the UK government decides on what plan A actually is.

I'm of the opinion that those who want unity should keep their counsel until brexit has been seen to be the almighty omniclusterfúckingshambles that it undoubtedly is. The unfortunate side effect of this is that any number of people will suffer financially first.
 

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Both the letter and the spirit of the GFA is that the future of NI rests in the hands of the people of NI, without interference from outside. Any sugh plan would be seenm especially on the Unionist side, as gross interference.
Crazy posts - you do not know what you are talking about.

Leinster House as a whole have already been working elements of a white paper through its 'Joint Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement'. They produced a paper last August called 'Uniting Ireland & its People in Peace & Prosperity'.

And yes, a reunified Ireland free from England's unwanted rule will make us all better off - and yes, Ireland can afford to reunify as a whole - the Irish Government says so.

Listen 25 minutes in.

https://audioboom.com/posts/6820573-a-leading-academic-suggests-significant-shift-in-the-population-here-are-we-now-on-the-countdown-to-a-new-ireland-alexkane221b-and-chrisadonnelly-discuss-bbcnolan

Read and learn.

http://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/joint_committee_on_the_implementation_of_the_good_friday_agreement/reports/2017/2017-08-02_brexit-and-the-future-of-ireland-uniting-ireland-and-its-people-in-peace-and-prosperity_en.pdf
 

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Really??? But Unionism in Ireland is finished.

Latest BBC poll says it will happen soon - even the last DUP leader Peter Robinson just a few days ago was calling for talks about the restoration of the territorial integrity of Ireland before the reunification of Ireland vote even takes place. This follows the story broke by Channel 4 News that senior level Unionists are already negotiating with the Irish Government about the reunification of Ireland. http://www.politics.ie/forum/northern-ireland/263957-breaking-news-senior-level-unionists-negotiating-irish-government-about-reunification-ireland.html

Unionists would be foolish not to commence talks in an informal sense. They need all sides to be aware of their concerns and what discussions must take place.
 

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Old news, and somewhat suspect given it's source. I'll take lucid talks more recent poll, thanks. They've a very good record on getting NI things right.
Old news?! It's 3 weeks old. 3 weeks.

I'm sure you'll accept the finding of the poll that suits your outlook. Confirmation bias in all its glory.
 

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Yes. Unionism in Ireland is finished.

Latest BBC poll says the reunification of our people, our country. and the end of England's centuries old demonic rule in Ireland will happen soon - even the last DUP leader Peter Robinson just a few days ago was calling for talks about the restoration of the territorial integrity of Ireland before the reunification of Ireland vote even takes place. This follows the story broke by Channel 4 News that senior level Unionists are already negotiating with the Irish Government about the reunification of Ireland. http://www.politics.ie/forum/northern-ireland/263957-breaking-news-senior-level-unionists-negotiating-irish-government-about-reunification-ireland.html

 

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ITV were reporting on the Peston show that it is 4 to 1 likely there will be a vote on the reunification of our country by 2020.

 


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