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Is it time for Bishop Magee to go ?

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Following the Cloyne report is it time for the Catholic Church to sack Bishop Magee ?


Colm O’Gorman, the director of Amnesty International Ireland and the former director of the One-in-Four victim support group, said he had no confidence in Magee. He said: “The report shows the person who had ultimate responsibility for child protection in this area has been shown to have failed absolutely in discharging that duty.


A radical lay Catholic group has called for the immediate resignation of the Bishop of Cloyne, Dr John Magee, in the wake of a damning sex abuse report.

The 'Voice of the Faithful' lobby, which campaigns for more accountability in the Irish Catholic Church, said that if Bishop Magee fails to step down, Pope Benedict should exercise his supreme authority by demanding his resignation.

Ireland's most prominent Roman Catholic leader, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin, questioned Tuesday whether all of his fellow bishops adequately protect children from sexually abusive priests.

Archbishop Martin suggested that the Cloyne bishop should step aside for new leadership and help restore public confidence.

"He should make the decision which is in the best interests of child protection," the archbishop told Ireland's state television station, RTE.

And in a carefully worded statement, Martin stressed he was "extremely concerned" that the problems uncovered in Magee's diocese could be more widespread. He called on all of Ireland's bishops to confirm whether they were following the Irish church's decade-old official policy of openness and investigation.

The archbishop called on other bishops and religious orders to confirm to the investigator, Elliott, that they are committed to reporting abuse reports to police and other authorities "in a uniform way." If Elliott could not confirm these commitments, Martin warned, he would impose "his own system of accountable child protection" on all Catholic clergy living or working in his sprawling constituency.




Is this only tip of the Catholic churches involvement in the systamtic abuse of Children ?
 


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Following the Cloyne report is it time for the Catholic Church to sack Bishop Magee ?


Colm O’Gorman, the director of Amnesty International Ireland and the former director of the One-in-Four victim support group, said he had no confidence in Magee. He said: “The report shows the person who had ultimate responsibility for child protection in this area has been shown to have failed absolutely in discharging that duty.


A radical lay Catholic group has called for the immediate resignation of the Bishop of Cloyne, Dr John Magee, in the wake of a damning sex abuse report.

The 'Voice of the Faithful' lobby, which campaigns for more accountability in the Irish Catholic Church, said that if Bishop Magee fails to step down, Pope Benedict should exercise his supreme authority by demanding his resignation.

Ireland's most prominent Roman Catholic leader, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin, questioned Tuesday whether all of his fellow bishops adequately protect children from sexually abusive priests.

Archbishop Martin suggested that the Cloyne bishop should step aside for new leadership and help restore public confidence.

"He should make the decision which is in the best interests of child protection," the archbishop told Ireland's state television station, RTE.

And in a carefully worded statement, Martin stressed he was "extremely concerned" that the problems uncovered in Magee's diocese could be more widespread. He called on all of Ireland's bishops to confirm whether they were following the Irish church's decade-old official policy of openness and investigation.

The archbishop called on other bishops and religious orders to confirm to the investigator, Elliott, that they are committed to reporting abuse reports to police and other authorities "in a uniform way." If Elliott could not confirm these commitments, Martin warned, he would impose "his own system of accountable child protection" on all Catholic clergy living or working in his sprawling constituency.




Is this only tip of the Catholic churches involvement in the systamtic abuse of Children ?
I don't recall Diarmuid Martin calling for Magee to resign? You might provide the link to that statement on RTE.
 

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Following the Cloyne report is it time for the Catholic Church to sack Bishop Magee ?


Colm O’Gorman, the director of Amnesty International Ireland and the former director of the One-in-Four victim support group, said he had no confidence in Magee. He said: “The report shows the person who had ultimate responsibility for child protection in this area has been shown to have failed absolutely in discharging that duty.


A radical lay Catholic group has called for the immediate resignation of the Bishop of Cloyne, Dr John Magee, in the wake of a damning sex abuse report.

The 'Voice of the Faithful' lobby, which campaigns for more accountability in the Irish Catholic Church, said that if Bishop Magee fails to step down, Pope Benedict should exercise his supreme authority by demanding his resignation.

Ireland's most prominent Roman Catholic leader, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin, questioned Tuesday whether all of his fellow bishops adequately protect children from sexually abusive priests.

Archbishop Martin suggested that the Cloyne bishop should step aside for new leadership and help restore public confidence.

"He should make the decision which is in the best interests of child protection," the archbishop told Ireland's state television station, RTE.

And in a carefully worded statement, Martin stressed he was "extremely concerned" that the problems uncovered in Magee's diocese could be more widespread. He called on all of Ireland's bishops to confirm whether they were following the Irish church's decade-old official policy of openness and investigation.

The archbishop called on other bishops and religious orders to confirm to the investigator, Elliott, that they are committed to reporting abuse reports to police and other authorities "in a uniform way." If Elliott could not confirm these commitments, Martin warned, he would impose "his own system of accountable child protection" on all Catholic clergy living or working in his sprawling constituency.




Is this only tip of the Catholic churches involvement in the systamtic abuse of Children ?
I should say so, but what will probably happen is he'll be given a cushy assignment in the Vatican, probably right alongside Boston's own enabler of child abuse, Cardinal Law.
 

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I don't recall Diarmuid Martin calling for Magee to resign? You might provide the link to that statement on RTE.
Diarmuid Martin picked his words very carefully, inviting Magee to interpret them as a call to resign. Magee is an absolute disgrace and embarrassment to the Catholic Church. I expect him to leave or be kicked out after the Christmas period is over.
 

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it was time for this disguisting excuse of a human being to go long before he came in the first place..........
 
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I tend to agree that the Bishop should resign.

But what a farce when the corrupt Fianna Failers, who never resign nor ask any of their big business buddies to resign, have the cheek to call on him to go.

Why don't these FF scumbags resign? And take your filthy and filthy rich friends with you!
 
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A full inquiry has been ordered into allegations of clerical child abuse at the Diocese of Cloyne in Cork.


The Cabinet has decided to refer the matter to the commission investigating complaints of abuse at the Dublin Archdiocese.

The Minister for Children announced the decision this afternoon at the publication of a nationwide audit into the Catholic Church's adherence to child protection measures.

"I believe there is evidence that points to the fact that Bishop Magee, as the responsible person, did not faithfully report actual compliance with child protection procedures and the manner in which clerical sexual abuse allegations have been dealt with," the minister said.


"Accordingly, the Government has taken the decision to notify the Cloyne Diocese to the Commission Investigation into the Dublin Archdiocese to carry out an investigation as regards to Cloyne."




Not many replies from the loyal catholic following on this site !!
 

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The Church isn't going to be swayed by external, non-authoritative opinion. Especially opinion that emanates from non-Catholic groups, many of whom are blatantly anti-Catholic and aggressively seek out information that they can warp and twist to suit their own agendas.

For example: someone already mentioned Amnesty International -- a pro-abortion organisation who have sniped at the Church many a time in the past.

I think the Catholic hierarchy, operating under civil law, with due regard to the relevant authorities and interest groups, should formulate their own conclusions and their own response. I'm sure this will be communicated in due time. And I don't believe that the Church are deliberately delaying, dragging their feet or seeking to upset the due process. With the full facts, I've no doubt that the Irish clergy will make the right decision, seek justice and do their utmost to try to atone for any evil acts that were perpetrated under their watch.

Let's everyone just calm down. The child-rapist-angry-mob mentality really is beginning to grind on me at this stage.
 

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The child-rapist-angry-mob mentality really is beginning to grind on me at this stage.
Just calm down...stay cool...and you won't have to do any of those things.
 

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The Church isn't going to be swayed by external, non-authoritative opinion. Especially opinion that emanates from non-Catholic groups, many of whom are blatantly anti-Catholic and aggressively seek out information that they can warp and twist to suit their own agendas.

For example: someone already mentioned Amnesty International -- a pro-abortion organisation who have sniped at the Church many a time in the past.

I think the Catholic hierarchy, with due regard to the relevant authorities and interest groups should make the decisions themselves. With the full facts, I've no doubt that the Irish clergy will make the right decision, seek justice and to their utmost to atone for any evil acts that were perpetrated under their watch.

Let's everyone just calm down. The child-rapist-angry-mob mentality is grinding on me.
We are calm. But the picture ...... It's griding down on you. Well isn't a pity about you. "Irish clergey will do the right thing". What do you take people for? This is exactly the kind of deluded shi*te which has it where it is
 

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We are calm. But the picture ...... It's griding down on you. Well isn't a pity about you. "Irish clergey will do the right thing". What do you take people for? This is exactly the kind of deluded shi*te which has it where it is
What would you suggest?

An online poll?
 

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What would you suggest?

An online poll?
Nah. A worldwide acknowledgement that the Catholic church is a man-made, money-making organisation that forced men of their cloth to become predators of children. That'd be a start. Only a start.
 

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Nah. A worldwide acknowledgement that the Catholic church is a man-made, money-making organisation that forced men of their cloth to become predators of children. That'd be a start. Only a start.
Do you even have a Leaving Cert?
 

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The Church isn't going to be swayed by external, non-authoritative opinion. Especially opinion that emanates from non-Catholic groups, many of whom are blatantly anti-Catholic and aggressively seek out information that they can warp and twist to suit their own agendas.

For example: someone already mentioned Amnesty International -- a pro-abortion organisation who have sniped at the Church many a time in the past.

I think the Catholic hierarchy, operating under civil law, with due regard to the relevant authorities and interest groups, should formulate their own conclusions and their own response. I'm sure this will be communicated in due time. And I don't believe that the Church are deliberately delaying, dragging their feet or seeking to upset the due process. With the full facts, I've no doubt that the Irish clergy will make the right decision, seek justice and do their utmost to try to atone for any evil acts that were perpetrated under their watch.

Let's everyone just calm down. The child-rapist-angry-mob mentality really is beginning to grind on me at this stage.
When a crisis occurs;

E.g., Anglo-Irish Bank - people leave/step down
Government (Irish) - at some stage they're out by will of the people
Private Sector - go bust or you get fired
Public Sector - skip this one (more scope to get away with it)
Church - little changes but does all that much really change?
 

Factorem

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When a crisis occurs;

E.g., Anglo-Irish Bank - people leave/step down
Government (Irish) - at some stage they're out by will of the people
Private Sector - go bust or you get fired
Public Sector - skip this one (more scope to get away with it)
Church - little changes but does all that much really change?
We have a place in the Church for unintelligent priests bordering on IQ=25 and heretics who like psychedelic altars and zany music: it's called Craggy Island.

And anyway, entering the priesthood is like being part of a family. You can't just disconnect yourself and go find "another job".

There's a place for everyone in this world and the Church has lots of opportunities for people of all abilities.
 

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Do you even have a Leaving Cert?
I do have a Leaving Certificate. I got it one year after I was abused by those you idolise. I even had the audacity to go further and went on to get more qualifications..not one which would express a scintilla of gratitude towards the so-called 'christian brothers'.

Please grow up, accept the horrors you caused, and admit it. Everyone knows anyway. I would forgive you.

Sorry, had to edit. I'd rip your balls out and feed them to you.
 

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I do have a Leaving Certificate. I got it one year after I was abused by those you idolise. I even had the audacity to go further and went on to get more qualifications..not one which would express a scintilla of gratitude towards the so-called 'christian brothers'.

Please grow up, accept the horrors you caused, and admit it. Everyone knows anyway. I would forgive you.

Sorry, had to edit. I'd rip your balls out and feed them to you.
My grand-uncle was a Christian Brother: a walking saint who wouldn't hurt a fly. He was a man of impeccable reputation and did a great service -- he was fully aware of the wretched evil that was inflicted on countless innocent children and was deeply hurt and saddened by the whole affair. He lived with that legacy every day and shared in the pain, albeit to a much lesser extent. You can be certain that he prayed for God's forgiveness (I would say daily) and wanted nothing more than for justice to be done.

Please don't tar all Christian Brothers with the same brush.
 

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My grand-uncle was a Christian Brother: a walking saint who wouldn't hurt a fly. He was a man of impeccable reputation and did a great service -- he was fully aware of the wretched evil that was inflicted on countless innocent children and was deeply hurt and saddened by the whole affair. He lived with that legacy every day and shared in the pain, albeit to a much lesser extent.

Please don't tar all Christian Brothers with the same brush.
You're Pogo again. Good one.
 


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