Is it time to abolish the Seanad?

Is it time to abolish the Seanad?

  • Yes

    Votes: 58 65.2%
  • No

    Votes: 31 34.8%

  • Total voters
    89
  • Poll closed .

louis bernard

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Walsh did not mince his word or sugar over things. Is what he said about the abortion process not true? I am not a pro or anti abortion supporter so dont bother arguing with me.
I would be of the same view as you, and I would also ask the question? Is it not a fact that what he describes is what happens during a late term abortion? (He was quoting a doctor from the US who carried out lots of such abortions.)
 


mayoonmymind

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Let's reform the Senate.
Rather than a graveyard for failed politicians, members of the senate should be elected by the people of the country.
This is democracy. Anything else is just jobs for the boys. Surely we have had enough of that.
 

H.R. Haldeman

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Who is this Senator Jim Walsh idiot I'm seeing on the news? "I know someone who's had 6 abortions" he says. What a ****. Happily, Norris stands up and heckles him. For all his faults, I'm glad someone like Norris is in there shouting at FF bogmen saying fkn offensive, stupid things.
 

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Who is this Senator Jim Walsh idiot I'm seeing on the news? "I know someone who's had 6 abortions" he says. What a ****. Happily, Norris stands up and heckles him. For all his faults, I'm glad someone like Norris is in there shouting at FF bogmen saying fkn offensive, stupid things.
Wow, Jim Walsh knows some woman who has had 6 abortions??
That must be some kind of record?
If this woman keeps getting pregnant, and this woman regularly doesn't want the off spring of her mate(s?) brought into the world, you'd have to question the kind of people she hangs out with?
Jim Walsh I assume knows this woman??
 

sadmal

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Senate should be kept and reformed.

We need it as a check on a Dáil which is cntrolled by the executive.
There has been ten proposals to reform the Senate, not one have been acted on and very few senators have pressed for reform. for them to suddenly claim they want reform is a bit of a joke.
 

sadmal

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The talk of "abolition" is nonsense too. There's lip-service being paid to the notion that Kenny will bring forward Dáil reforms AFTER he's removed the miniscule threat of the Seanad. If he really wants to bring about real reform to improve Irish democracy he could bundle Dáil reform with the abolition of the Seanad. He doesn't though, all he wants is to concentrate power in the house dominated by the Executive.

Keeping it means we have still have something to reform, it's up to us to insist on it. The X-case was kicked to touch for twenty-one years, public anger brought the change, not political will. We should learn from it.
Not enough people care about the Senate to insist on reform and they are certainly not going to wait twenty one years for it! The only people who do care are the senators themselves.
 

davoid

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There has been ten proposals to reform the Senate, not one have been acted on and very few senators have pressed for reform. for them to suddenly claim they want reform is a bit of a joke.
Yes. Especially Doris.

He has conveniently forgotten the referendum in 1979 when the people voted to extend the university franchise for the Seanad to all graduates.

In the 1990s there was an attempt to legislate for this. However bruton became Taoiseach without an election and faced into a Seanad that had almost an ff majority. He needed the university senators to get routine legislation through. So a deal was done that all talk of legislating for the extension of the 3 rd level franchise would be dropped in return for supporting the government.

And who led the charge?

None other than Doris, the great reformer.
 

davoid

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The talk of "reform" is nonsense, there will be a different proposal from every group on the retention side, leading to stalemate, leading to no change, which is the idea. The idea of keeping the trough to somehow express discontent with Kenny is too daft for words.
Indeed. The choice we are being given is get rid, or keep it. Nothing in between.

And if we vote to keep it, they will all say the people want it, they voted for it and reform will never, ever happen.
 

sadmal

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How did Walsh get to be a Senator? Did he fail to get into the Dail and this was a consolation prize or did he get it because of some specialist knowledge or interest?
 

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Just been looking at the Seanad for the last hour--Healy-Eames,Bradford,Norris,Harte,Crown and the little "pro life" fellow with the glasses---his name escapes me and cannot wait for the Referendum to get rid of the lot of them--what a shower and they thinkin they should have some oversight on the Government.
 

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Senate should be kept and reformed.

We need it as a check on a Dáil which is cntrolled by the executive.
That may be true..
But how do you see any kind of reform happening?

If you reject FG with their abolition proposal, do you really see them reforming the Seanad?
If Labour have a say in the next government, what chance they'd reform their only hope for keeping a few potentials on side?
Or maybe you are placing your hopes of reform in FF nua? If you are, you need to see your doctor..

The current Seanad provides NO check on the government, the government regularly does whatever it wants to do.

The same could be said about the Dail, but that's a whole other story.

Basically the current Seanad is useless.
If you vote to keep it, you will be voting to keep it, as is!
NOBODY but nobody will push for Seanad reform if the people chose to keep this doss house.
 

riker1969

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This debate will run on and on inducing comas all over Ireland. There are good Senators but truth be told they mainly came about because of the University vote-and thus are hardly representative now are they? No the plain people of Ireland will elect gob shytes like Mattie Mcgrath and De bert.
But anyway- Mary Martin can bleat all he likes about a referendum never being won without opposition support. There is going to be a first time! I think Senator Walsh did some service telling it like it is on Abortion but we rarely got that honesty from the Senead over 80 odd years.
 

constitutionus

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Indeed. The choice we are being given is get rid, or keep it. Nothing in between.

And if we vote to keep it, they will all say the people want it, they voted for it and reform will never, ever happen.
thats basically what it comes down to and when its put to the people like that itll be a gonner.

im having some laugh listening to the talking heads on radio trying to put on that this is going to be anything other than a slam dunk for the government (particularly when they keep refrerencing micheal mc dowel and his democracy matters clowns . can anyone find a more hated guy this side of ahern ? :) )

i cant help thinking that the fact the majority of them can actualy vote in the elections for the bloody thing that its colouring their opnions.

fact is 90% of us cant and as such are only waiting to get shot of it.

cant wait to see the mushes on the commentariate when the vote comes in.

:D

EDIT.

By the way looks like mary louise o donnel has done her job and got the vote on the referendum on the abolition of the senad through by voting for it along with two of endas other poodles.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0717/463093-seanad-referendum/

i reckon someone doesnt have to worry about the gov slashing her professions wages anytime soon.

:D :D :D
 
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sadmal

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Just been looking at the Seanad for the last hour--Healy-Eames,Bradford,Norris,Harte,Crown and the little "pro life" fellow with the glasses---his name escapes me and cannot wait for the Referendum to get rid of the lot of them--what a shower and they thinkin they should have some oversight on the Government.
Ronan Mullen is the little man with the glasses.
 

davoid

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How did Walsh get to be a Senator? Did he fail to get into the Dail and this was a consolation prize or did he get it because of some specialist knowledge or interest?
He got to be a senator because 53 citizens voted for him.

Each mof those 53 citizens had another 4 votes each.
 

myksav

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Seantor Jim Walsh of FF doesn't seem to have done The Seanad any favours with his most recent contribution.

The air froze in the chamber: Walsh
I see that you hate hearing factual details of an event like an abortion, just like Bacik who walked out of the Seanad because she didn't want to hear what actually happens in a late term abortion so she can comfortably advocate abortion without being bothered by details.

Aww, was it too icky for ye? Did it make ye feel sick?
 

myksav

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That may be true..
But how do you see any kind of reform happening?

If you reject FG with their abolition proposal, do you really see them reforming the Seanad?
If Labour have a say in the next government, what chance they'd reform their only hope for keeping a few potentials on side?
Or maybe you are placing your hopes of reform in FF nua? If you are, you need to see your doctor..

The current Seanad provides NO check on the government, the government regularly does whatever it wants to do.

The same could be said about the Dail, but that's a whole other story.

Basically the current Seanad is useless.
If you vote to keep it, you will be voting to keep it, as is!
NOBODY but nobody will push for Seanad reform if the people chose to keep this doss house
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Which House is supposed to do the reforming legislation? The Dáil. Who didn't do reform? The Dáil.
What is the solution? Abolish the Seanad.
Amazing Irish "logic".

by the way, you cannot repair what you have thrown away.
 

loner

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Just had a look in at the order of business in the Seanad--we should be ashamed of ourselves for tolerating what passes for debate there--why oh why to we continue to tolerate this excuse for a Parliamentary institution
 

wombat

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Just had a look in at the order of business in the Seanad--we should be ashamed of ourselves for tolerating what passes for debate there--why oh why to we continue to tolerate this excuse for a Parliamentary institution
We had our chance to be rid of it but most voters couldn't be ar5ed to vote
 


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