Is Jamaica sliding into chaos?

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Several dozen people are now dead in Kingston alone and the violence is showing signs of spreading to other cities as Jamaican state security forces battle gangs in their attempts to arrest drug baron Christopher Coke (also known as "Dudus").

The intention to arrest is on foot of a US extradition request.

"Dudus" is a hero to many of Kingston's slum-dwellers who regard him as a sort of modern day Robin Hood. Residents have been assisting the gunmen in their battles with police and there have been demonstrations in support of "Dudus". "He is next to God", one supporter said. "Just like how Jesus died on the cross for us, we are willing to die for Dudus", said another.


Sources:
1. RTÉ News: Fears grow over violence in Jamaica
2. The Associated Press: Jamaica police: 30 dead in battle with drug gang
3. Jamaica gunfights claim 30 lives as police and army battle gangsters | World news | guardian.co.uk
 
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Aristodemus

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Is this a rhetorical question? When was Jamaica anything other than chaotic. No doubt it's whitey's fault
 

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and there have been demonstrations in support of "Dudus". "He is next to God", one supporter said. "Just like how Jesus died on the cross for us, we are willing to die for Dudus", said another.
Dumb, very dumb. If Dudus = Jesus then that means he is supposed to die for you not the other way around. I do not recall Jesus asking is followers to martyr themselves so he could go on selling drugs and swords.

It seems anybody can be next to god these days.
 

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Dudus Coke is the step son of Lestor Coke who headed the shower posse in the 80's killing on behalf of the jamaica labour party. The whole gangsterism is backed by political parties and the government and police have no sway in the ghettos. The shower posse rules. Its self government at its most basic. That's why the people are protecting him now. That plus the fact that Lestor's cell mysteriously went on fire and he was killed the day he was due to be extradited to the US, and his son was also killed the same day.
 

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They all need to smoke some of the stuff they are fighting over. Chill out, laugh at absolutely nothing and eat lots of snacks.
 

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I don't know about sliding into chaos, but there is certainly change coming to Jamaica.

Dubus Coke is based in the Primeministers stronghold and indeed to a large extent the PM might have been beholden to him. That it seems is about to change.

Lets face it, beyond the edges of brochure photo shoots the entire Carribian is a crime and drug ridden crap hole. Jamaica itself is immersed in a level of brutal criminality that makes its domestic security situation comparable to Haiti.

Now it looks like the political establishment is trying to break free of organised crimes strangle hold. There are those who point to Dubus Cokes building of hospitols and community investment. But Paublo Escobar did that aswell and was equally adored by the poor. But ultimitely crime lords are not a substitution for law and order. In the end the very nature of their rule and business means people, especially the poor, suffer.

In taking on such a high profile figure the government has put itself on a collision course with the wealthiest section of Jamaicas economy. They better win. But I suspect whether they kill of capture and extradite Dubus Coke, the US will in return plough investment and laons into Jamaica to fill the hole left by drugs money. Without such a guarentee I doubt the government would have acted, unless the threat from Coke to Jamaicas government was far higher then the wider media know about.
 

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scary enough stuff alright.......

their reputation as a paradise holiday destination looks a bit shaky....
 

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scary enough stuff alright.......

their reputation as a paradise holiday destination looks a bit shaky....
Always has. Jamaica since the 1960s has been plagued by gangs and violence often backed by the 2 main political parties, Labour and the National Party since independence. What's coming to a head now is quite interesting.

It is ironic that Cuba, a country that is pariah on the international scene is an oasis of calim in Caribbean cesspit.
 

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It is ironic that Cuba, a country that is pariah on the international scene is an oasis of calim in Caribbean cesspit.
Yes, single party police states have that effect on their citizens.
 
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I don't know about sliding into chaos, but there is certainly change coming to Jamaica.

Dubus Coke is based in the Primeministers stronghold and indeed to a large extent the PM might have been beholden to him. That it seems is about to change.
And so, chickens are coming home to roost.

Lets face it, beyond the edges of brochure photo shoots the entire Carribian is a crime and drug ridden crap hole. Jamaica itself is immersed in a level of brutal criminality that makes its domestic security situation comparable to Haiti.
So it appears. Even Trinidad which is very wealthy by Caribbean standards has a shocking murder rate.

Now it looks like the political establishment is trying to break free of organised crimes strangle hold. There are those who point to Dubus Cokes building of hospitols and community investment. But Paublo Escobar did that aswell and was equally adored by the poor. But ultimitely crime lords are not a substitution for law and order. In the end the very nature of their rule and business means people, especially the poor, suffer.
I agree that these gun lords are no substitution for law and order but this is what happens when people feel abandoned by their government. You can't blame them for supporting the one who's been putting bread on the table.

In taking on such a high profile figure the government has put itself on a collision course with the wealthiest section of Jamaicas economy. They better win. But I suspect whether they kill of capture and extradite Dubus Coke, the US will in return plough investment and laons into Jamaica to fill the hole left by drugs money. Without such a guarentee I doubt the government would have acted, unless the threat from Coke to Jamaicas government was far higher then the wider media know about.
This is more than state security forces going after one gang leader. It is a kind of revolution in which the question of who really calls the shots (literally) in Jamaica will be answered.

There's a lesson for us here too. Too many of our own gang lords have been promoted by irresponsible journalists to the point where they've become media celebrities. In communities where there's little hope of breaking out of the cycle of poverty, these guys are often regarded as heroes. We need to make damn sure they don't get the same hold on society as their Jamaican counterparts did.
 


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