Is law and order the next big failure?

Disillusioned democrat

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There are many active threads accurately detailing this government's abject performance in health and housing, and a few long lasting ones around specific issues in relation to "justice" - most specifically around high profile corruption in the higher ranks of AGS and the despicable treatment of honest Gardaí who tried to uncover some of the dodgy backscratching that went/goes on.

There's less talk about law and order though, which now seems to be very much in decline and not getting the attention it deserves from the Minister for Justice who seems to be happier jumping on the populist "compensation for the laundry survivors", "blasphemy referendum" and "representation rights for alleged rape victims" bandwagons than actually dealing with the declining state of law and order in Ireland.

In the past few weeks there has been some very serious crimes committed in Ireland - crimes that 5 years ago would be the main item on the news and discussed for weeks afterwards, but are now becoming almost common place:

  • The gang rape in Kildare last night
  • The machete attack in Ballincollig last weekend
  • The murder of Jastine Valdez a few weeks ago
  • The rape and murder of Ana Kriegel a few days before that
  • The murder of Cameron Reilly in Dunleer
  • The murder of Vincent Kelly in Bray last weekend
  • The car jacking at knife point in Phoenix Park two days ago
  • The on-going Kinahan-Hutch feud

On top of that there's still a huge level of violent rural crime on an on-going basis and the level of drugs in the country is returning to Tiger economy levels.

This all comes at a time when crime statistics carry a government health warning.

Is FG's lack in interest in "little people" issues taking the finger off the "Pulse" so to speak?

Is Charlie Flanagan the most ineffective MoJ in the history of the state or is the country just spontaneously becoming a seriously dangerous place to live?
 


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It's been a failure for several decades. Particularly the last forty years. All governments, all parties have failed.
 

Disillusioned democrat

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It's been a failure for several decades. Particularly the last forty years. All governments, all parties have failed.
Justice has failed, but largely law and order prevailed - Ireland was a relatively safe place to live by all the main statistics.

It now seems that the "service delivery" end is also breaking down, like in health, where well paid managers and bureaucrats are more focused on careers and rewards than actually delivering the service.
 

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The well off will just gate their communities and employ private security, the rest of us will just have to make do and vote in the same failed parties again.....soon.
 

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When a journalist reveals systematic coverups of motoring offences...by the police.....and the media oligopoly that employs her kicks her out....and she has to go to the IRL brach of a UK media firm, then you know you have a problem with law and order.

Of course, when the cowboy that sacked her, gets on the EU commissions task force to fight "false news"....that sends an even more concenring message.
 

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The well off will just gate their communities and employ private security, the rest of us will just have to make do and vote in the same failed parties again.....soon.
Ireland doesn't have a significant "rent a cop" sector and it would be very concerning if we started to go that route, but would be right out of the FG "privatize" playbook if it did.
 

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There are many active threads accurately detailing this government's abject performance in health and housing, and a few long lasting ones around specific issues in relation to "justice" - most specifically around high profile corruption in the higher ranks of AGS and the despicable treatment of honest Gardaí who tried to uncover some of the dodgy backscratching that went/goes on.

There's less talk about law and order though, which now seems to be very much in decline and not getting the attention it deserves from the Minister for Justice who seems to be happier jumping on the populist "compensation for the laundry survivors", "blasphemy referendum" and "representation rights for alleged rape victims" bandwagons than actually dealing with the declining state of law and order in Ireland.

In the past few weeks there has been some very serious crimes committed in Ireland - crimes that 5 years ago would be the main item on the news and discussed for weeks afterwards, but are now becoming almost common place:

  • The gang rape in Kildare last night
  • The machete attack in Ballincollig last weekend
  • The murder of Jastine Valdez a few weeks ago
  • The rape and murder of Ana Kriegel a few days before that
  • The murder of Cameron Reilly in Dunleer
  • The murder of Vincent Kelly in Bray last weekend
  • The car jacking at knife point in Phoenix Park two days ago
  • The on-going Kinahan-Hutch feud

On top of that there's still a huge level of violent rural crime on an on-going basis and the level of drugs in the country is returning to Tiger economy levels.

This all comes at a time when crime statistics carry a government health warning.

Is FG's lack in interest in "little people" issues taking the finger off the "Pulse" so to speak?

Is Charlie Flanagan the most ineffective MoJ in the history of the state or is the country just spontaneously becoming a seriously dangerous place to live?
Flannels is not up to the job that's for sure....


The trouble is the judicial system

- the Gardaí are by Global standards not that bad a Force

I think shambolic mismanagement is their Achilles Heel rather than Corruption
 

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This has been a problem for at least two decades.

PRAVDA paid one of their top "stars" a fortune, and he blew it all on cocaine. At the same time McDowell made remarks about wealthy people being responsible for fuelling the crime epidemic in the city, due to the consumption of Cocaine. PRAVDA responded by ridiculing McDowell.

If the national propaganda quango has been a coke-house, for years, then there is a serious serious problem, right through all layers of society.
 

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There are many active threads accurately detailing this government's abject performance in health and housing, and a few long lasting ones around specific issues in relation to "justice" - most specifically around high profile corruption in the higher ranks of AGS and the despicable treatment of honest Gardaí who tried to uncover some of the dodgy backscratching that went/goes on.

There's less talk about law and order though, which now seems to be very much in decline and not getting the attention it deserves from the Minister for Justice who seems to be happier jumping on the populist "compensation for the laundry survivors", "blasphemy referendum" and "representation rights for alleged rape victims" bandwagons than actually dealing with the declining state of law and order in Ireland.

In the past few weeks there has been some very serious crimes committed in Ireland - crimes that 5 years ago would be the main item on the news and discussed for weeks afterwards, but are now becoming almost common place:

  • The gang rape in Kildare last night
  • The machete attack in Ballincollig last weekend
  • The murder of Jastine Valdez a few weeks ago
  • The rape and murder of Ana Kriegel a few days before that
  • The murder of Cameron Reilly in Dunleer
  • The murder of Vincent Kelly in Bray last weekend
  • The car jacking at knife point in Phoenix Park two days ago
  • The on-going Kinahan-Hutch feud

On top of that there's still a huge level of violent rural crime on an on-going basis and the level of drugs in the country is returning to Tiger economy levels.

This all comes at a time when crime statistics carry a government health warning.

Is FG's lack in interest in "little people" issues taking the finger off the "Pulse" so to speak?

Is Charlie Flanagan the most ineffective MoJ in the history of the state or is the country just spontaneously becoming a seriously dangerous place to live?
There is one and only one failure, POLITICS. Politics has been infiltrated and overpowered by the Neoliberals, Radical militant Feminists and the P&CS itself. Everything they touch fails ultimately because they are the product of a failing education system that refuses parchment to the smart ones and endows the very malleable with whatever piece of paper they want as long as they continue to do as directed. It is programmed to fail in order to push further into an all controlling fascist society.

You've been warned, k. BIG BROTHER IS NIGH
 

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Ive been saying it for years

- Kids accessing inappropriate sites
- Too much violence on TV
- MMA seen as a sport
- Glorification of Conor McGregor
- Mental illness in some
- Alcohol abuse
- Too much aggression in society

etc..

Zero tolerance for all possession of drugs etc... required immediately.
Zero tolerance for bullying
Zero tolerance for posting violence to social media sites
 

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The Gardai sometimes seem afraid to enforce the law imho.
 

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Ive been saying it for years

- Kids accessing inappropriate sites
- Too much violence on TV
- MMA seen as a sport
- Glorification of Conor McGregor
- Mental illness in some
- Alcohol abuse
- Too much aggression in society

etc..

Zero tolerance for all possession of drugs etc... required immediately.
Zero tolerance for bullying
Zero tolerance for posting violence to social media sites
Yes, but there has been a glorification of certain sports stars by the Irish media and Fine Gael. We all know the pictures of the local "sports star" in the paper with his girlfriend usually at a bar or club. The sport is sponsored by an Irish drinks company.
 

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There was also the recent "Love hate" series by RTE. It seemed to me to make heroes out of some Gangland figures. We also had all the films and books written by prominent journalists, with close links to the Gardai.
 

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Hardly it ran for 20 series, it's spin off SVU is on series 19. I think the only syndicate show on US television to run for more series than the show it spun off from is NCIS which was a spin off of JAG.
 

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No respect or fear of the guards. They are under staffed, under trained and under motivated. Scandal after scandal.

I know 2 guards and they were telling em about the fitness test to get in. Very ,very basic. No ongoing fitness testing then.

We are policed by an imaginary net. The criminals see this and are basically doing as they wish.

Young people accessing porn and the downplaying of mental health issues is going to hit us further down the road as well. Imagine accessing some of the stuff online at 10 or 11. Not good.
 

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No respect or fear of the guards. They are under staffed, under trained and under motivated. Scandal after scandal.

I know 2 guards and they were telling em about the fitness test to get in. Very ,very basic. No ongoing fitness testing then.

We are policed by an imaginary net. The criminals see this and are basically doing as they wish.

Young people accessing porn and the downplaying of mental health issues is going to hit us further down the road as well. Imagine accessing some of the stuff online at 10 or 11. Not good.
There has been a fair bit of Garda recruiting in the last three years, as for the scandals very few Gardai are willing to speak out, hardly surprising given the culture within AGS.
 

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Flannels is not up to the job that's for sure....


The trouble is the judicial system

- the Gardaí are by Global standards not that bad a Force

I think shambolic mismanagement is their Achilles Heel rather than Corruption
Certainly there are times you hear about sentencing decisions that make no sense - it sometimes seems obvious that judges are looking at ways to try to help the convicted criminals re-habilitate rather than taking a broader view point around protecting society and making significant examples "pour encourager les autres", making it clear that crime doesn't pay.
 

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The criminal elements have no fear of An Garda Siochana any more.

Waving their iphones in their faces, claiming "assault" and noting their badge numbers.

It didn`t happen in the old days.

Criminals were in fear of An Gardai.

They should never have reduced the height requirement and physical build requirement.

I note that someone mentioned the fitness regime or test. If you work in An Garda Siochana surely you have some personal responsibility to stay fit & healthy cut back on the booze etc if needed.
 

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The criminal elements have no fear of An Garda Siochana any more.

Waving their iphones in their faces, claiming "assault" and noting their badge numbers.

It didn`t happen in the old days.

Criminals were in fear of An Gardai.

They should never have reduced the height requirement and physical build requirement.

I note that someone mentioned the fitness regime or test. If you work in An Garda Siochana surely you have some personal responsibility to stay fit & healthy cut back on the booze etc if needed.
Whenever I'm up in Dublin I've noticed quite a few overweight Gardai on the beat, people in the Defence Forces need to keep themselves in good shape, why not members of AGS?
 


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