Is opposition's 'straight Jacket' comments, evidence they support the bankers too?

Vote_No_on_Everything

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The bit I don't understand is the amount of opposition politicians saying that the bailouts and the deals done with the eu & imf by ff are 'irreversible because there are legal issues', & that the next government will be in a 'straight jacket'. What is the point in voting for any party if they can't change the most important issues which effect the nation?
What are the real reasons?, are they just hiding behind excuses?, are the opposition just carry on relay runners working in tandum with the present government.
 
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The bit I dont undrstand is the amount of opposition politicians saying that the bailouts and the deals done with the eu & imf by ff are 'irreversible because there are legal issues', & that the next government will be in a 'straight jacket' what is the point in voting for any party if they can't change the most important issues which effect the nation?
What are the real reasons?, are they just hiding behind excuses?, are the opposition just carry on relay runners working in tandum with the present government.
"......the bailouts and the deals done with the eu & imf by ff are 'irreversible ..."

Sinn Fein are not saying that.
So you do have a choice, if you want to exercise it.

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"......the bailouts and the deals done with the eu & imf by ff are 'irreversible ..."

Sinn Fein are not saying that.
So you do have a choice, if you want to exercise it.

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I usually vote Socialist rather than Nationalist & I always vote & rally others to vote both at work & in community. I am aware Sinn Fein are not hiding behind excuses but I'm trying to get feed back on what are the excuses or legal issues or are they red herrings?
 

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In a word yes, and Karl Daly is right, there isn't really much of a choice, its more of the same and "we are where we are" or vote SF.
 

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I usually vote Socialist rather than Nationalist & I always vote & rally others to vote both at work & in community. I am aware Sinn Fein are not hiding behind excuses but I'm trying to get feed back on what are the excuses or legal issues or are they red herrings?
As I read it what they're saying is that once you take the dosh under the stipulated conditions the deal is sealed - so any potential negotiations need to be done before taking any dosh.

I stand to be corrected, of course.
 

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If anyone watched Pearse Doherty & Joan Burton on Prime Time last night, I think it's very clear where parties stand on such issues. I would NEVER in my life have considered voting SF but to me over the past 3 months they are the ONLY opposition in this country.
 

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"......the bailouts and the deals done with the eu & imf by ff are 'irreversible ..."

Sinn Fein are not saying that.
So you do have a choice, if you want to exercise it.

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Some people on here need to get their head straight about Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein is NOT an alternative, is NOT a party of principle, and categorically and absolutely is NOT a party of the left.

Sinn Fein in government in the north has introduced the same privatisation into public services that Mary Harney is associated with in the south, has closed more hospitals than any party in the history of the northern state, tried to introduce along with the DUP the most draconian public assembly legislation seen outside Apartheid South Africa, voted for water charges (then lied about it), continues to protect rapists, paedophiles and murderers, and drove the McCartney family from their homes because they dared to campaign for justice for their murdered brother - beaten to death in a pub because an IRA thug thought he gave him a funny look.

Wise up and wake up! Sinn Fein is the road to nowhere.
 

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Some people on here need to get their head straight about Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein is NOT an alternative, is NOT a party of principle, and categorically and absolutely is NOT a party of the left.

Sinn Fein in government in the north has introduced the same privatisation into public services that Mary Harney is associated with in the south, has closed more hospitals than any party in the history of the northern state, tried to introduce along with the DUP the most draconian public assembly legislation seen outside Apartheid South Africa, voted for water charges (then lied about it), continues to protect rapists, paedophiles and murderers, and drove the McCartney family from their homes because they dared to campaign for justice for their murdered brother - beaten to death in a pub because an IRA thug thought he gave him a funny look.

Wise up and wake up! Sinn Fein is the road to nowhere.
I don't disagree with anything you have posted but you should know we have landed in NOWHERE and have been here for a few years.

Name the alternative that is available for the apolitical voter?
 

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The bit I don't understand is the amount of opposition politicians saying that the bailouts and the deals done with the eu & imf by ff are 'irreversible because there are legal issues', & that the next government will be in a 'straight jacket'. What is the point in voting for any party if they can't change the most important issues which effect the nation?
What are the real reasons?, are they just hiding behind excuses?, are the opposition just carry on relay runners working in tandum with the present government.

The position is simple. A new government is quite free to reject the IMF deal which imposes constraints on Ireland's economic and fiscal policies in return for access to the bail-out money.

Of course in that case the government would be left with two options:

1. Raise the €20 bn or so needed to fund the budget deficit on the markets.

This would be very difficult if not impossible in the circumstances, and certainly very expensive in any event. We could expect to pay at least 15% at the very best.

2. Live within our means.

This would mean cuts of 40% in public expenditure. This would necessitate huge cuts in public service pay and pensions as well as welfare and public services.

I cannot see any other alternative.
 

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I don't disagree with anything you have posted but you should know we have landed in NOWHERE and have been here for a few years.

Name the alternative that is available for the apolitical voter?

Labour.

They're no great shakes I know, but they are the only available alternative within the democratic parties.

Irrespective of their specific policies, the fact is that a major breakthrough for Labour would signal a political realignment.

This election should belong to Labour.
 

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"......the bailouts and the deals done with the eu & imf by ff are 'irreversible ..."

Sinn Fein are not saying that.
So you do have a choice, if you want to exercise it.

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NO!
In these matters I see Sinn Fein to be amateur, simply sloganeering.
 

MichealMcGrath

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Labour.

They're no great shakes I know, but they are the only available alternative within the democratic parties.

Irrespective of their specific policies, the fact is that a major breakthrough for Labour would signal a political realignment.

This election should belong to Labour.
As a despairing FFer , I now tend to go with Michael Noonan of FG ( voting for Phil Hogan) . I wouldn't wear Joan Burton at all , I think she's empty-headed and LOUD!
And I believe that Gilmour doesn't know what he's talking about , all bluster , could be a dangerous man where attracting future lenders to the Irish State is concerned .
I think that some decent former FFers are finding a new home across in Fine Gael . I know several .
The Labour Party would have suited under Dick Spring , even Pat Rabbitte , but I'm afraid of Gilmour and I am not the only one!
 


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