Is our very weak government a risk in planning for Brexit?

shiel

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No direction to Irish business on exactly what is to happen...and time is running short for businesses to "adapt" in a suitable time frame....

Our tax payer funded Brexit advise sectors... tell us to seek other options on supply ....this is despite the fact that much of this involves placing orders, many of which can not be canceled while not knowing what costs will "evolve" from the UK, or indeed if the uK will devise a creative option for many of it's MNC many of whom have substantial representative here... which may result in Irish business being uncut in pricing.......but hell .... the civil service know best .....so they want business to buy blind and when that goes wrong they will tell us we should have bought better........

Then of course there is the really big "problem" ..... thanks to our pro FDI permanent governments over the years they have allowed the development of the UK businesses having the Rights of supply into Ireland ... many in set hard to break contracts ... thus good luck with trying for other options of supply and even better luck with keeping pricing down......for the hard pressed Irish consumer....


The first thing that should be done is to have a public forum of the department secretaries of the departments dealing with Brexit their Ministers and Revenue and put them in front for small and medium business and we will soon see if permanent government really understand "Brexit"

Ireland should be discussing and costing all options inclusive of Ireixt, alignment with sterling, .... four year subvention for all Irish business from Europe while the market re-aligns with the exit of Britain..etc etc ..and any other cost effective option Irish business considers should be considered .... Europe with its directives and our political civil service have created our over reliance on FDI that is now being "Attacked" from all sides. We have created a "perfect storm" ... with state costs granted over the years on the presumption of the FDI so called cash cow never stopping giving.... small and medium business disappearing to so called European competition... so we have the inflated costs on one side of the balance sheet and on the income side a reducing small and medium sector, and European and international attack on FDI.....


Pity we can't jail without trial the people who created this perfect storm...and those who continue to feed this greedy animal...........

Europe has made the marketplace inequitable, it has interfered so as to confer an unfair advantage to big business resulting in the effecting of member states exchequer returns. It doesn't provide competition it simply makes big business richer all under the claim of competition.....
Should we reinstall the Soviet Union and go back to supplying the UK with live cattle?
 


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shiel;11896963[B said:
]Should we reinstall the Soviet Union and go back to supplying the UK with live cattle?[/B]


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Here we go dare question the EU or the establishment ....and here comes comments like the above ....


Like it or not the EU is an imperfect creation ....and numerous member states citizens have at the ballot box displayed a growing discontent and disillusionment with this project..If the EU is as good as you imply .. then this discontent would not be happening.. Indeed a number of our political elite have acknowledged that the EU is far from perfect....mind you they have done precious little about seeking to correct much of what is wrong.....

Ireland is merely a pimple on the edge of Europe even per captia of population of the EU we are from the start at a disadvantage... now we have a member state with whom we hold many similar interests leaving ..... any state, its permanent government, its representatives and its people who seek to limit fair and open discussion on all ramifications are the ones who are doing a disservice to the State.

In truth the EU has many good points accompanied by many many bad aspects ... history has shown us time and time and time again that you do not seek to control "peoples" ..... the long term outcome is never good.....
 
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Ever heard of Bob Diamond , ex-head of Barclays, Sir Fred 'The Shred ' Godwin head of RBS who lost his knighthood.I for one don't want any London investment bankers in this country ever.London is the cesspit of corruption as far as banking goes.PPI scandal, the London Whale banking scandal ,HSBC laundering Mexican drug running cartel money , I could go on.Why do you think all the Russians, Arabs ,Azeris etc head for London and not Frankfurt, Geneva, Paris.They all turn a blind eye to corrupt money and keep the show on the road.
No thanks , they would leave Fingers Fingleton, David Drum & Seanie Fitz in the halfpenny place.
 

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Anyway - with Brexit looming - potentially the biggest challenge we face economically and politically, are we running a huge risk having such a weak government in place and should we be actually looking for something more like a "war cabinet" and national government for the next few years as we plan and execute around the transition of our biggest trading partner and probably only real friend in Europe out of the EU?
Ignoring the shíte and addressing the supposed topic of the thread: yes and no.

The problem they have is that they, much like the UK and EU, don't know what Brexit is yet. One can't plan for an unknow as well as one can plan for what is know. We are told they're leaving the single market, the customs union etc. but we're told that they want something similar... we don't know what that is.

We're told they don't want a hard border, but we don't know what their solution is.

And so on and so on and so on.

The reason working with the EU is so Important for Ireland right now is because they are the ones who will make decision on whatever ludicrous crap the UK propose and when we're at the table we have a say in what will be rejected, amended or proposed.
 

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Zoo this rubbish. The govt is doing an excellent job on the EU negotiations. The UK is threatening, blustering and dodging, and they have been held to account each time.
I don't trust them, but they seem to have done a good job thus far.
 

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Ever heard of Bob Diamond , ex-head of Barclays, Sir Fred 'The Shred ' Godwin head of RBS who lost his knighthood.I for one don't want any London investment bankers in this country ever.London is the cesspit of corruption as far as banking goes.PPI scandal, the London Whale banking scandal ,HSBC laundering Mexican drug running cartel money , I could go on.Why do you think all the Russians, Arabs ,Azeris etc head for London and not Frankfurt, Geneva, Paris.They all turn a blind eye to corrupt money and keep the show on the road.
No thanks , they would leave Fingers Fingleton, David Drum & Seanie Fitz in the halfpenny place.
Fair point.

We are so clean, we don't even have Denis, Smurf, or The Kaiser, resident here.

And the drug barons have left Ireland also - no doubt because they are afraid of the authorities. Or maybe because they know AGS are too incompetent to put together the evidence needed to build a case to extradite them from their sunny hideaways.
 

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Should we reinstall the Soviet Union and go back to supplying the UK with live cattle?
We reinstalled the Soviet Parasitocracy when Bertie the Socialist was in power.

Proclain 1000 quangos will bloom forever (at the expense of the worker drones).

Instead of selling live cattle, we know export lots of stuff in a live statistical fudge called transfer accounting. It does work, though I wonder sometimes that we might be misleadign ourselves about the value of the dodgy statistics.
 

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:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Here we go dare question the EU or the establishment ....and here comes comments like the above ....


Like it or not the EU is an imperfect creation ....and numerous member states citizens have at the ballot box displayed a growing discontent and disillusionment with this project..If the EU is as good as you imply .. then this discontent would not be happening.. Indeed a number of our political elite have acknowledged that the EU is far from perfect....mind you they have done precious little about seeking to correct much of what is wrong.....

Ireland is merely a pimple on the edge of Europe even per captia of population of the EU we are from the start at a disadvantage... now we have a member state with whom we hold many similar interests leaving ..... any state, its permanent government, its representatives and its people who seek to limit fair and open discussion on all ramifications are the ones who are doing a disservice to the State.

In truth the EU has many good points accompanied by many many bad aspects ... history has shown us time and time and time again that you do not seek to control "peoples" ..... the long term outcome is never good.....
No argument. The EU is an imperfect human institution of nearly thirty democracies each with different interests and histories.

But because of that it is a miracle in a continent that has torn itself apart over the centuries with imperial/totalitarian wars.

Some of the democracies in the EU were part of the Soviet Union and more were colonies of the Soviet Union.

It has a home market of 500 million people.

For us with a history of centuries of colonial exploitation it is good to be a member of the EU.

It is not perfect but it would be brain dead to follow the English out of the EU.

I hope I am wrong but I fear Brexit is the start of a deterioration the end of which we do not know.
 


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