Is Right-Wing Conservatism the new Center?

clearmurk

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What rubbish!

The centre left parties (FG/FF/Lab) are the ones that are claiming to be centrist parties.

The right has been under attack from most of the media for ages now.

There are only a handful of TDs who could be called right wing in any meaningful sense. They are all independents.
 

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Well Fine Gael are on cultural/social issues basically Ultra-Leftist.
 

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Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
 

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Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
And what rough backbencher, his hour come around at last, slouches towards Montrose to be born?
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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Social justice is a bad thing, apparently.
 

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Have you noticed over the past few days the effort to re-brand the Right as the Center?

It appears that this is the new formula of the right – pretend to move the scales, so that the right is now in the middle.

It would be hilarious were the pretence not being accepted in many media quarters.

Just for balance you might like to peruse these two articles.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1012/823380-budget-2017-blog/

Things fall apart, the centre remains smug - Independent.ie
Just saw that on the politics show on rte. Neo-liberal, privatisation junkie, Michael O'Leary worshipping slimeballs pretending to be the centre.
Sickening lies.
 

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Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
Every politician in the Dail, shuffling to his feet on Budget day, felt he had to (mis)quote the old Yeats chestnut and assure us that things were not falling apart and the centre was holding....
None of them got as far as the line about the worst being full of passionate intensity....or indeed the bit about the shadows of the indignant desert birds...
 

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That depends on the flavor of that social justice.
Social justice can generally be understood as the promotion tolerance, freedom, and equality for all people regardless of race, sex, orietntation, national origin, handicap, etc... except for functional, white, straight, cisgendered males & their cis-scum female collaborators. ************************ those people.
 

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Diarmaid Ferriter: Fine Gael


O’Leary revelled in a coarse, hectoring and hate-filled discourse that would make Donald Trump proud, and his primary targets were public servants; those, who according to Minister for Finance Michael Noonan in December 2013 as Ireland prepared to exit the bailout, are among “the real heroes and heroines” of Ireland’s austerity programme and who endured, in his words, “serious pay cuts”.
Why do Noonan and his colleagues then provide a platform for O’Leary to eviscerate those same public servants, and not only that, but positively encourage it? Why is Fine Gael so keen to fawn over O’Leary? Noonan is reported as having introduced O’Leary as “Ireland’s leading altogether decent man”. Minister for Foreign Affairs Charles Flanagan publicly, via his Twitter account, expressed his delight at soaking up O’Leary’s rants: “great start today listening to Michael O’Leary sound off in flying form”.
 

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Social justice can generally be understood as the promotion tolerance, freedom, and equality for all people regardless of race, sex, orietntation, national origin, handicap, etc... except for functional, white, straight, cisgendered males & their cis-scum female collaborators. ************************ those people.
There ya go..............
 

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Social justice is a bad thing, apparently.
Stop moaning. The last budget proved we have social justice. :roll:

Its only fair that people who can never afford a house and will be on a hosing list for the next decade should have to pay for the tax breaks for property developers and first time buyers.

Niamh and Oisin need their house ASAP. Selfish ************************************s like you should think of them. :roll:
 

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Every politician in the Dail, shuffling to his feet on Budget day, felt he had to (mis)quote the old Yeats chestnut and assure us that things were not falling apart and the centre was holding....
None of them got as far as the line about the worst being full of passionate intensity....or indeed the bit about the shadows of the indignant desert birds...
I remember another lad who wouldn't give the full quote:


I have done the state some service, and they
know 't.
No more of that. I pray you, in your letters,
When you shall these unlucky deeds relate,
Speak of me as I am; nothing extenuate,
Nor set down aught in malice. Then must you speak
Of one that loved not wisely, but too well;
Of one not easily jealous, but being wrought,
Perplexed in the extreme; of one whose hand,
Like the base Judean, threw a pearl away
Richer than all his tribe
; of one whose subdued
eyes,
Albeit unused to the melting mood,
Drop tears as fast as the Arabian trees
Their medicinal gum. Set you down this.
And say besides, that in Aleppo once,
Where a malignant and a turbaned Turk
Beat a Venetian and traduced the state,
I took by th' throat the circumcisèd dog,
And smote him, thus
 

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And what rough backbencher, his hour come around at last, slouches towards Montrose to be born?
Or HER? , "......the worst Are full of passionate intensity........".

Their passion for failed ideologies, admirers of mass murderers, inspired by fantasy economics, the red carpet constantly rolled out for them by their fellow travellers in the media.

They are called Daly, Murphy and Coppinger, to name a few.

We should indeed be "Indignant at the fumbling wits, the obscure spite...."
 

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The centre space is occuppied by political parties that
Screw the working class
Patronize those in employment
Stuff the institutional state with cronies and party backers
Waste money
Talk about Fairness
Talk about how much they "care"
Expand quangos
Obey Brussels
&
Bailout the extremely rich.

The whole thing is a farce. The centre is iccuppied by the most dangerous element in politics.

Just look at the damage that they have done since the Fall of the Iron Curtain.

Bought&paid-for the lot of them. They are the enemy of the people whilst proclaiming themselves to be the true voice of the people. They go ape about people waking up and abandoning them.
 

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The centre space is occuppied by political parties that
Screw the working class
Patronize those in employment
Stuff the institutional state with cronies and party backers
Waste money
Talk about Fairness
Talk about how much they "care"
Expand quangos
Obey Brussels
&
Bailout the extremely rich.

The whole thing is a farce. The centre is iccuppied by the most dangerous element in politics.

Just look at the damage that they have done since the Fall of the Iron Curtain.

Bought&paid-for the lot of them. They are the enemy of the people whilst proclaiming themselves to be the true voice of the people. They go ape about people waking up and abandoning them.
Yep. Clinton and Blair being great examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_centrism

Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way
In politics, the Third Way is a position akin to centrism that tries to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of right-wing economic and left-wing social policies.[1][2] The Third Way was created as a serious re-evaluation of political policies within various centre-left progressive movements in response to international doubt regarding the economic viability of the state; economic interventionist policies that had previously been popularized by Keynesianism and contrasted with the corresponding rise of popularity for economic liberalism and the New Right.[3]


Clinton, Blair, Prodi, Gerhard Schröder and other leading Third Way adherents organized conferences to promote the Third Way philosophy in 1997 at Chequers in England.[45][46] The Third Way think tank and the Democratic Leadership Council are adherents of Third Way politics.[47]
 

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Clinton, Blair, Prodi, Gerhard Schröder and other leading Third Way adherents organized conferences to promote the Third Way philosophy in 1997 at Chequers in England.[45][46] The Third Way think tank and the Democratic Leadership Council are adherents of Third Way politics.[47]
But, but, but anyone to the left of Blair (Corbyn, say) is an un-electable loon, who is consigning the labour party to years in the wilderness.
 


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