Is the fining of Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala an attack on free speech?

Theowolfe

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Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala has been fined €10,000 for making bad anti Jewish jokes and skits. Is this a further attack on freedom of speech in Europe. Where do the restrictions go next?

France fines comedian 10,000 euros over anti-Semitic stunt - Haaretz - Israel News

The show he was to do in London has also been canceled.

French comic Dieudonné's London show axed for antisemitic joke | The Jewish Chronicle

We do not have the right, in a free society, not to be offended. Freedom of speech is being straitjacketed. This is set to continue where more and more groups will demand to be protected from insults by the law.
 


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Dieudonné ran for the EU elections on an Anti-Zionist ticket, so when he starts making Jewish jokes it looks bad. I would however agree that he has the right to make whatever jokes he wants, this however I find interesting
The Paris court told Dieudonne M'bala M'bala, a 43-year-old French stand-up comic, to pay further 10,000 in damages and legal fees to organizations that sued him,
I disagree with the state's involvement however the theatre also has the right not to put him on, the only worrying thing is this
The Holocaust Educational Trust had earlier attacked the theatre for accepting the booking.
so it doesn'tseem that the theatre were to concerned about it until pressure was brought to bare.
 

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Dieudonné ran for the EU elections on an Anti-Zionist ticket, so when he starts making Jewish jokes it looks bad. I would however agree that he has the right to make whatever jokes he wants, this however I find interesting


I disagree with the state's involvement however the theatre also has the right not to put him on, the only worrying thing is this

so it doesn'tseem that the theatre were to concerned about it until pressure was brought to bare.
Quite right, the theatre has the right to cancel, however if venues continue to back down at the hint of controversy we will end up with no difficult issues being discussed and debated.

These venues should be more robust and stand up for freedom of speech.
 

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Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala has been fined €10,000 for making bad anti Jewish jokes and skits. Is this a further attack on freedom of speech in Europe. Where do the restrictions go next?

France fines comedian 10,000 euros over anti-Semitic stunt - Haaretz - Israel News

The show he was to do in London has also been canceled.

French comic Dieudonné's London show axed for antisemitic joke | The Jewish Chronicle

We do not have the right, in a free society, not to be offended. Freedom of speech is being straitjacketed. This is set to continue where more and more groups will demand to be protected from insults by the law.
I'm not sure there ever was such a thing as "free speech". It would be impossible for a coherent centralised society to allow such a thing and maintain its sovereignity. Perfectly free speech presupposes the absence of regulatory norms of any kind.

The phrase "free speech" is nothing but a rhetorical device. Hollow lip service, for a superficial organisation of oppression.
 

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I'm not sure there ever was such a thing as "free speech". It would be impossible for a coherent centralised society to allow such a thing and maintain its sovereignity. Perfectly free speech presupposes the absence of regulatory norms of any kind.

The phrase "free speech" is nothing but a rhetorical device. Hollow lip service, for a superficial organisation of oppression.
I fear you may be absolutely correct.
 

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Nicolas Anelka puts him back in the news ...Dieudonne's "anti-system" salute:



BBC Sport - Nicolas Anelka: West Brom striker 'surprised by celebration criticism'

France's sports minister has accused Nicolas Anelka of a "disgusting anti-Semitic" goal celebration during West Brom's 3-3 draw at West Ham.
Anelka, 34, made the 'quenelle' - described as an inverted Nazi salute.
The French government is trying to ban comedian Dieudonne M'bala M'bala's shows over his use of the gesture.
 
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What the actual F is all that.
This has to be up there for zombie thread of the year.
 

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Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala has been fined €10,000 for making bad anti Jewish jokes and skits. Is this a further attack on freedom of speech in Europe. Where do the restrictions go next?

France fines comedian 10,000 euros over anti-Semitic stunt - Haaretz - Israel News

The show he was to do in London has also been canceled.

French comic Dieudonné's London show axed for antisemitic joke | The Jewish Chronicle

We do not have the right, in a free society, not to be offended. Freedom of speech is being straitjacketed. This is set to continue where more and more groups will demand to be protected from insults by the law.
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." —George Orwell

"Intellectual freedom is the right of every individual to both seek and receive information from all points of view without restriction." —American Library Association

"If a book be false in its facts, disprove them; if false in its reasoning, refute it. But for God’s sake, let us freely hear both sides if we choose." —Thomas Jefferson

"These Holocaust deniers are very slick people. They justify everything they say with facts and figures." —S. Some, Chairman, NJ Commission on Holocaust Education

"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." —Mark Twain

"A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing." —George Orwell
 

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Quite right, the theatre has the right to cancel, however if venues continue to back down at the hint of controversy we will end up with no difficult issues being discussed and debated.

These venues should be more robust and stand up for freedom of speech.
What's free speech?

If you'd been alive during Hitler's rise to power and home computers had been widely in use would you be campaigning for his right to incite hatred against Jews, homosexuals, gypsies and Roma? If so, would you be willing to defend your position in light of the consequences of the implementation of his opinions?

Freedom of speech is not a stand-alone concept. It has a flip-side, and that flip-side is personal responsibility.

You can't claim to promote the former whilst abdicating any culpability for its consequences when it backfires.
 

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What's free speech?

If you'd been alive during Hitler's rise to power and home computers had been widely in use would you be campaigning for his right to incite hatred against Jews, homosexuals, gypsies and Roma? If so, would you be willing to defend your position in light of the consequences of the implementation of his opinions?

Freedom of speech is not a stand-alone concept. It has a flip-side, and that flip-side is personal responsibility.

You can't claim to promote the former whilst abdicating any culpability for its consequences when it backfires.
If you weren't allowed to post here for some reason, or have your say because of your pov, you would know what free speech is.

If I understand Theowolfs comment he would be for freedom and against censorship, you otoh would be for censorship and restricting freedom.
 

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The problem with this is the involvement of Zionists who are incapable of telling the truth. They paint every anti-Zionist view as an anti-Jewish view. They try to make Judaism and Zionist as meaning the same thing.
 

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The problem with this is the involvement of Zionists who are incapable of telling the truth. They paint every anti-Zionist view as an anti-Jewish view. They try to make Judaism and Zionist as meaning the same thing.
Anti Zionism is nothing to do with racism. the connection being made by the Zionists will lead to the 'legitinacy of anti jewish sentiment and commentary.
 

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While Dieudonne is an idiot he shouldn't be punished for his stupid opinions. If anything punishing him would probably strengthen his paranoid view that the Jews are out to get him.

As for the footballer that should be up to his club or the FA.
 

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The problem with this is the involvement of Zionists who are incapable of telling the truth. They paint every anti-Zionist view as an anti-Jewish view. They try to make Judaism and Zionist as meaning the same thing.
What a ridiculously broad brush statement.
 

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While Dieudonne is an idiot he shouldn't be punished for his stupid opinions. If anything punishing him would probably strengthen his paranoid view that the Jews are out to get him.

As for the footballer that should be up to his club or the FA.
Why is he an idiot?
 

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I don’t see what’s broad about it. It’s specific and narrow –
Zionists attempt to make their disgusting philosophy equitable with Judaism
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You mean they should continue to hang about waiting for Catholics to have more pogroms ?
 


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