Is the Left sabotaging itself in the fight against President Trump

Mick Mac

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American late show host Bill Maher interviews author Sam Harris and asks is the left sabotaging itself in the fight against President Trump.
Both Maher and Harris oppose the travel restriction.
Both think President Trump could only do something right by accident. A terrible idea they call it.
Maher particularly despises Trump.
They both agree that there are valid concerns about American abuse of power and that refugees should be welcomed.

They dont have much in common with Steve Bannon in other words.

These are not right wing snowflakes. Their concern is that the American left is not very good at picking its allies and instead allies with its own enemies and thats handicapping them against Trump.

[video=youtube;LV7eVvph69Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV7eVvph69Y[/video]

They talk about Asra, a muslim woman who voted for Trump because for her the threat radical islam represents is too great to ignore and she believed the Democrats were ignoring it.

She is not alone. The council for american islamic relations did an exit poll amongst American Muslims and found that Trump received twice as many votes as Mitt Romney from that community. About 13% of Muslims may have voted for Trump.

They talk about how the American left has linked up instead with islamists. Linda Sarsour who managed who wrangle her way into the Womens march is mentioned a number of times as being a dubious person the left has tied in with. Obama, Bernie ( I march with Linda), Hollywood have all given her the thumbs up. She praised Sharia, a code that sets women legally as less than men, she has said Saudi Arabia has paid maternity so stop talking about women who cannot drive.

She said that Ayaan Hirsi Ali a lady who had her clitoris cut as a child and grew up in a strongly religious society and consequently opposes it should first get a beating and then have her vagina taken away.

She sounds like President Trump but she was a surrogate for Bernie.
Linda Sarsour has her own agenda and it seems to be a bit removed from the general idea of the Democrats.

and women need their rapists to testify on their behalf.





Mick
 


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The Left loves the Iranian mullahs, Mahmoud Abbas,
Putin ( for once in agreement with Trump!! ) and Assad.

And abortion is one of their secular sacraments.

Enough said.:cool:
 

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I seen a reporter on tv interview Muslims in America before the election. Most were hostile to Trump. However a surprising number planed on voting for Trump. An old Conservative Muslim man said he would vote Trump because he came to America to escape radical Islam and that the Democrats were ignoring it.

 

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The Left is allowing its obsession with cultural diversity to overcome its traditional support for womens/LGBT rights and secularism. By importing supporters of Sharia into Ireland, women will return to being kitchen slaves, gays to being criminalised, and Ireland to being a confessional state - this time under Islamic Sharia law.

The Sharia police case in Germany will likely become the model. As with the Soviet sympathisers in the Western Left, Sharia also has its "useful idiots" on the Left. Anti-Americanism is part of it too.
 

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Does a bear **** in the woods?

Seriously they have learnt nothing. I can see Trump doing two terms at this rate. The US Dems/Left/Liberals problems go well beyond what a handful of them are prepared to acknowlege.
 

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Jaysus - the Alt Right cheerleaders think that anyone who doesn't get down on bended knee in front of Trump is a 'lefty'

It reminds me of the time that Stalin claimed that anyone who wasn't a Stalinist was automatically a fascist.
 

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Jaysus - the Alt Right cheerleaders think that anyone who doesn't get down on bended knee in front of Trump is a 'lefty'

It reminds me of the time that Stalin claimed that anyone who wasn't a Stalinist was automatically a fascist.
No, I dont think they do and Maher and Harris are definitely not alt right cheerleaders.

They are saying what you are actually saying that just because some people dont get down on bended knee to Trump its not right to assume they are lefty. Particularly someone like Sarsour who is feted by some on the left but who has very unleft views about women.

Uncle Joe was a fascist himself.


 

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Jaysus - the Alt Right cheerleaders think that anyone who doesn't get down on bended knee in front of Trump is a 'lefty'

It reminds me of the time that Stalin claimed that anyone who wasn't a Stalinist was automatically a fascist.
Or like when Trotsky used to put machine guns at the rear of the Red Army so they couldn't retreat.

Or like when Trotsky used to raze entire towns full of men women and children during the Russian Civil War because a hospital treated sick white soldiers or an orphanage took in orphans of white families.
 

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Jaysus - the Alt Right cheerleaders think that anyone who doesn't get down on bended knee in front of Trump is a 'lefty'

It reminds me of the time that Stalin claimed that anyone who wasn't a Stalinist was automatically a fascist.
You must be quite old now if you can remember the time of Stalin. It must be really annoying for those whining about Trump to see how much work he is getting through. Keep it up Trump. Don't mind the haters.
 

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The Left is allowing its obsession with cultural diversity to overcome its traditional support for womens/LGBT rights and secularism. By importing supporters of Sharia into Ireland, women will return to being kitchen slaves, gays to being criminalised, and Ireland to being a confessional state - this time under Islamic Sharia law.

The Sharia police case in Germany will likely become the model. As with the Soviet sympathisers in the Western Left, Sharia also has its "useful idiots" on the Left. Anti-Americanism is part of it too.
There is simply no chance of this happening. You are howling at the moon.
 

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Genuine question.

I suspect Donald Trump might be a few sambos short of a picnic.

Am I a leftist?
 

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Jaysus - the Alt Right cheerleaders think that anyone who doesn't get down on bended knee in front of Trump is a 'lefty'

It reminds me of the time that Stalin claimed that anyone who wasn't a Stalinist was automatically a fascist.
Or the idiots who think the world splits neatly into 'left wing' and 'right wing'... Lol.
 

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Jaysus - the Alt Right cheerleaders think that anyone who doesn't get down on bended knee in front of Trump is a 'lefty'

It reminds me of the time that Stalin claimed that anyone who wasn't a Stalinist was automatically a fascist.
Unlike pretty much every socialist dictator state that ever existed, Trump was voted in ? again the problem of democracy in action seems to be just a nuisance for the left, Obama was a clown but there were no protests like recently , but you get what you vote for , unlike socialist states,

Trump is the result of the liberal loons over-extending their ideology, so is Brexit, the media/Universities should have known better and still pump out liberal elite rubbish, the balance has been all wrong for the last decade and the dogs in the street know it, the arrogance of the liberal elite is over, their ridiculous hypocrisy is being exposed,

safe spaces in universities of all places (so much for openness , debate etc ),
micro-aggression's , now that is funny how they slag off the Alt Right ?
inviting radical islamic fanatics in into the Phil in Trinity (Andrem Choudry) while banning BNP nationalists , it would have been a great match to see them square off, so much could have been learned, but the snowflakes chose to appease the islmaists and yet again and demonize the nationalists.

above all it is the detachment from working class areas and their reality that was the downfall of snowflakes, their media outlets are just seen as fake news / liberal agenda driven machines, sure Graham Norton had one of the most odious / ridiculous ultra liberal spoofer politicians on the show for no reason this week, Harriet Harmon ? WTF ? the Biased Broadcasting Corporation hard at work spending taxpayers taxes for their own agenda,,

The alt Right are utterly correct in highlighting all well founded ultra liberal bias when it is there, at least it will make people more aware of the media no matter their leanings,
 

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Mrs Jezza is a Feminist from the 80/90s who hasn't paid much attention to where 'feminism' has gone since then.
The other week she went out on the razz with her works gang.
Two of them got drunk and had a snog & grope.
Next morning, the woman is in a strop claiming the man "didn't have her consent" because she was drunk.
WTF? thinks Mrs Jezza. You didn't have his consent either. You were both drunk and did something that you wouldn't have otherwise. No one spiked you. He didn't pull a fast one on you. No one is pregnant or infected. Just put it behind you.
But no. The woman is still in a strop at work and refusing to talk to the man.
Mrs Jezza comes home and asks me what I think. I told her what do you expect nowadays?
We had a bit of an argument over consent, rape culture etc. Very much at cross purposes because I wasn't actually disagreeing with her.
Anyway she goes downstairs and googles 'consent'.
It was a bit of an eye-opener for her. She comes back upstairs. "FFS! EVERYTHING on-line is about how HE has to have HER consent".
Modern feminism has gone backward. It's now a thinly-veiled cover for Victorian Sunday School Teacher views on sex- something men do to women. Men are active, women are passive.
They are equal when it suits them, but the minute it doesn't they revert to being the little woman who has to be protected by their husband, dad, the government, the media or the UN.
Scratch a modern 'feminist' and you will find Mrs Beeton underneath.
 

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Genuine question.

I suspect Donald Trump might be a few sambos short of a picnic.

Am I a leftist?
Well tell us why? For example, I think he is correct in instigating the restrictions he has imposed. He is the leader of this country, he has access to information which is not available for security reasons to the average citizen. This reason has been quoted many times by the previous administration with regard to their interference in other countries matters. Obama issued a slow down on visa's from Iraq in 2001, which has the same consequences of what is happening today. There is not a direct ban, there is just more thorough scrutiny of certain visitors from these countries. Yes, it applys to seven as opposed to one, but if it was not opposed in 20011 under Obama, why should it be opposed now. It is nothing different, other a multiple of obama's policy from 2011.
 

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Genuine question.

I suspect Donald Trump might be a few sambos short of a picnic.

Am I a leftist?
Not enough information.

Many people who oppose Trump think its enough to be leftist.

Opposing Donald Trump but supporting Hillary, Opposing Trump but 'marching with Linda' are things where some people get called 'leftist' for but well they arent. They couldnt be.

Mick
 

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All extremes ultimately sabotage themselves, that's their only virtue.
 

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Jaysus - the Alt Right cheerleaders think that anyone who doesn't get down on bended knee in front of Trump is a 'lefty'

It reminds me of the time that Stalin claimed that anyone who wasn't a Stalinist was automatically a fascist.
Just as some on the left or "liberal" side think that anyone who doesn't despise Trump instinctively must be some sort of dreadful fascist.

Certainly we've seen a lot more violence from that side than from the pro-Trump side.
 

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Just as some on the left or "liberal" side think that anyone who doesn't despise Trump instinctively must be some sort of dreadful fascist.

Certainly we've seen a lot more violence from that side than from the pro-Trump side.
But that's violence from a "good" place, so that's OK then.

We're not talking people of principle here.
 

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Not enough information.

Many people who oppose Trump think its enough to be leftist.

Opposing Donald Trump but supporting Hillary, Opposing Trump but 'marching with Linda' are things where some people get called 'leftist' for but well they arent. They couldnt be.

Mick
Well, I'm drunk #again....so my memories are limited to 24 hours.

...but...if the head of the Executive branch of government questions the legitimacy of a member of the Judicial branch.....'so called' Judge?....

(That'd be one of those checks 'n balances things, right?)

My bottom line is this...'Ah,That's just Donald' being an implicit/explicit excuse has to wear thin at some stage, no?

As a Londoner friend of mine says;

He's a bit 'radio rental' ,innit?
 


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