Is the ULA in effect a branch of the British left ?

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Is the ULA a British left branch effectively ?

For example, I had a look at the SP and SWP sites. On the SP's site it says " a socialist Ireland as a free and voluntary part of a socialist federation of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales " On the SWP's site I found nothing on the national question.

So would it appears to me that both of you take your cue from the British and the free and independent Republic of Connolly, Mellowes etc has to take a back seat in the benefit of your British 'comrades' ?

Though doubtless they'll be all for the freedom and independence of some Asian or South American country - so long as it's a struggle against America or anyone else except the 'mainland' :mad:

(BTW, Slab would regard himself as Independent Republican, I'm not in any party though I attend plenty of protests, leafletting etc down the years for various issues)
 
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Are Eirigi part of this?

Their political rep spoke on saturday at the demo

So i doubt it!

But you do make a point if they are for eirigi's aims and also for the SP aims

But I suppose what good is either groups aims if the country is sent back 20 years socially and economically
 

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Are Eirigi part of this?

Their political rep spoke on saturday at the demo

So i doubt it!

But you do make a point if they are for eirigi's aims and also for the SP aims

But I suppose what good is either groups aims if the country is sent back 20 years socially and economically
Eirigi support " a socialist federation of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales "

I'm afraid you know very, very little about Eirigi.
 
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For example, I had a look at the SP and SWP sites. On the SP's site it says " a socialist Ireland as a free and voluntary part of a socialist federation of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales " On the SWP's site I found nothing on the national question.

So would it appears to me that both of you take your cue from the British and the free and independent Republic of Connolly, Mellowes etc has to take a back seat in the benefit of your British 'comrades' ?

Though doubtless they'll be all for the freedom and independence of some Asian or South American country - so long as it's a struggle against America or anyone else except the 'mainland' :mad:

(BTW, Slab would regard himself as Independent Republican, I'm not in any party though I attend plenty of protests, leafletting etc down the years for various issues)
The Phoenix gave a very good description of the SP and SWP:
"they borrow their political theories and
strategies from the UK and basically regard Ireland as if it were Yorkshire or Lancashire."
 
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The whole thing with a "voluntary" confederation with England is internationalism taken to an poorly thought out extreme.

But the self-destructive micro left cant face up to thinking it through because that type of approach would see people having to leave. There is a reason the SP and SWP are micro parties and keep on splitting.
 

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For example, I had a look at the SP and SWP sites. On the SP's site it says " a socialist Ireland as a free and voluntary part of a socialist federation of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales " On the SWP's site I found nothing on the national question.
Not a bad way of looking at them. SP are certainly the least 'nationalist' political party in the country.

Don't know too much about the SWP, er I mean PBP, er I mean Irish Anti-war Movement, er I mean National Public Service Alliance.
 

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Eirigí is not party of the United Left Alliance.

The group consists of:
The Socialist Party
The People Before Profit Alliance
The Workers and Unemployed Action Group
The Sligo/Leitrim Independent Socialist Organisation.

The idea of "a socialist Ireland as a free and voluntary part of a socialist federation of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales". Is the idea of a regional alliance like they have in Scandanvia and other parts of the world. It is also a show of solidarity with their sister parties in these countries.

The Socialist Party and The Socialist Workers Party would not be republican or Unionist but some members of the ULA would have republican sympaties such as Declan Bree.
I will fundraise for the ULA if they decriminalise the private use of marijuana.

Make it happen....
 

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Do the SP and SWP have ardfheiseanna where members can debate and vote on policies in public ?

Are the party's policeis open to change from the ground up?

I thought the announcement of the formation of the ULA without it having to be put to a vote anywhere was a bit strange.
 

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Eirigi support " a socialist federation of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales "

I'm afraid you know very, very little about Eirigi.
I know enough to know I dislike them

I was at the "Lefty" thing in Dublin and Eirigi and SP both spoke I presumed that it was a ULA event

Thanks for Salmon for clearing it up
 

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Do the SP and SWP have ardfheiseanna where members can debate and vote on policies in public ?

Are the party's policeis open to change from the ground up?

I thought the announcement of the formation of the ULA without it having to be put to a vote anywhere was a bit strange.
You have 1916 posts right now, spooky

And yes I wonder, it just seemed to appear

Is Bree running?
 

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Do the SP and SWP have ardfheiseanna where members can debate and vote on policies in public ?

Are the party's policeis open to change from the ground up?

I thought the announcement of the formation of the ULA without it having to be put to a vote anywhere was a bit strange.
Yeah! Thought Joe was implacably opposed to behind-closed-doors meetings!

Wonder if I ask SP for the minutes of the meetings that led to the establishment of Ula, will he send me a copy.
 

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The Phoenix gave a very good description of the SP and SWP:
"they borrow their political theories and
strategies from the UK and basically regard Ireland as if it were Yorkshire or Lancashire."
Yeah agreed. I remember reading that in the Phoenix and it hits the nail on the head.

Eirigí is not party of the United Left Alliance.

The group consists of:
The Socialist Party
The People Before Profit Alliance
The Workers and Unemployed Action Group
The Sligo/Leitrim Independent Socialist Organisation.

The idea of "a socialist Ireland as a free and voluntary part of a socialist federation of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales". Is the idea of a regional alliance like they have in Scandanvia and other parts of the world. It is also a show of solidarity with their sister parties in these countries.

The Socialist Party and The Socialist Workers Party would not be republican or Unionist but some members of the ULA would have republican sympaties such as Declan Bree.
" a regional alliance like they have in Scandanvia " Yes and the British National Party would probably describe similiar in the exact same manner ?
 

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I will fundraise for the ULA if they decriminalise the private use of marijuana.

Make it happen....
+1
i will also vote for them and make a contribution on those grounds,
to be honest they would be pushing an open door
 

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Not a bad way of looking at them. SP are certainly the least 'nationalist' political party in the country.

Don't know too much about the SWP, er I mean PBP, er I mean Irish Anti-war Movement, er I mean National Public Service Alliance.
Yes and did SWP/PbP/IAntiWM also have/had a rival movement to the Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign ? Ah yes, like the Irish national question, the poor Palestinians would have to take a back seat while the " Workers Revolution " is pushed at their expense :rolleyes:
 

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Do the SP and SWP have ardfheiseanna where members can debate and vote on policies in public ?

Are the party's policeis open to change from the ground up?

I thought the announcement of the formation of the ULA without it having to be put to a vote anywhere was a bit strange.
The SP has a national conference every year where members can bring motions to the conference and where everyone is free to get up and argue in favour of or against the motion or to change the partys positions, which would be accepted where a majority is in favour of it.
 

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The SP has a national conference every year where members can bring motions to the conference and where everyone is free to get up and argue in favour of or against the motion or to change the partys positions, which would be accepted where a majority is in favour of it.
That's interesting, thanks.

Are these meetings held in public, like other parties' ardfheiseanna?

Where was the last one?

Was the ULA idea discussed and voted on?
 

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1.The Socialist Party and SWP are run by central commitees. I'm afraid I don't know much about the SWP but the Socialist Party annual conferance was held in Cavan about 2 weeks ago. 30 members are elected onto a central committee were they debate and vote on party policy.The formation of the ULA was discussed at the annual conferance

Socialist Party annual conference takes place this weekend in Cavan | Socialist Party


2.It has been decided that Declan Bree will be running under the ULA banner in Sligo/Leitrim

3.The ULA is not a political party. It is an electrol alliance which may or may not last past the general election
Thanks that answers most of my questions.
 


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