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It was indeed "striking" that in the recent UN vote on resolution GA/11995 that in addition to the 57 OIC countries, another 71 countries also came out in support of the OIC. (not in a good way "striking" I hasten to add.)
Let's remind ourselves about what is the significance of Jerusalem - whether it is about ensuring the best interests of ordinary Palestinians are upheld... or something else...
Recall Arafat speaking in 1993 directly after he signed the Oslo accords: (link)
Perhaps there are some on here who don't grasp the concept of "Jihad". - So let me quote an early fatwa from Ruhollah Khomeini of Iran who I think helped explain it pretty well in this context:
Let's also remind ourselves about what happened to East Jerusalem when it was under the control of "the Muslim Umma" between 1948 and 1967. - Islamization of East Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation | WIKI
So, in this 19 year period, East Jerusalem was made exclusively Arab. Appeals were made to the United Nations and in the international community to declare the Old City to be an 'open city' and stop this destruction, but there was no response. This was in the face of the fact that Jewish presence and sovereignty in east Jerusalem actually predated the Arab presence there, and was nearly continuous.
The destruction (and actual genuine "apartheid") continued until Jordan lost control again in June 1967.
But what representative of any of the Muslim Umma anywhere have not stated their intentions as regards Jerusalem? - Never mind Iran's annual "Al Quds" day (Jerusalem day), and the rhetoric and activities on display during it. - Even ISIS are focused on it. E.g.
Or, another statement here that ISIS released in 2014, in CAIRO, NOVEMBER 3 - The Islamic State (ISIS) has issued a statement saying that an Islamic Caliphate will be established in the Sinai, calling it the ''first step towards the invasion of Jerusalem''. The statement threatens Egyptian security forces, which were suffered an attack on October 24. ISIS urged jihadists in the region to ''destroy police checkpoints and stations, launch RPGs at their gatherings and show the world that the Rule of God must be imposed' - ISIS 'to set up Islamic Caliphate in Sinai' - General news - ANSAMed.it
(And note, infact, that only two days ago, Egyptian media reported that ISIS armed militants from Syria are pouring into Sinai, passing through Jordan - https://ar.rt.com/jmx0)
So, is it not evident that the ordinary Palestinian people are merely pawns?
Then, how would we logically best ensure that their best interests, freedom, right to self determination, prosperity and security would be protected?
I highly doubt it is by appeasing the OIC.
Let's remind ourselves about what is the significance of Jerusalem - whether it is about ensuring the best interests of ordinary Palestinians are upheld... or something else...
Recall Arafat speaking in 1993 directly after he signed the Oslo accords: (link)
"... The Jihad will continue and Jersualem is not for the Palestinian People. It is for all the Muslim Uma, all the Muslim Uma. You are responsible for Palestine and for Jerusalem before me.
(Verse from the Koran in Arabic) And we saved him (Abraham) and Lot, and we brought him to the land which is blessed for ever...
And here we are, I came and I have to speak frankly. I can't do it alone, without the support of the Islamic Uma, I can't do it alone. And what to say like the Jews, go and you will have to fight alone. No! You have to come, and to fight and to start the Jihad to liberate Jerusalem your first shrine..."
(Verse from the Koran in Arabic) And we saved him (Abraham) and Lot, and we brought him to the land which is blessed for ever...
And here we are, I came and I have to speak frankly. I can't do it alone, without the support of the Islamic Uma, I can't do it alone. And what to say like the Jews, go and you will have to fight alone. No! You have to come, and to fight and to start the Jihad to liberate Jerusalem your first shrine..."
Perhaps there are some on here who don't grasp the concept of "Jihad". - So let me quote an early fatwa from Ruhollah Khomeini of Iran who I think helped explain it pretty well in this context:
"... Jihad means the conquest of all non-Muslim territories. Such a war may well be declared after the formation of an Islamic government worthy of that name, at the direction of the Imam or under his orders. It will then be the duty of every able-bodied adult male to volunteer for this war of conquest, the final aim of which is to put Qur’anic law in power from one end of the earth to the other..."
Let's also remind ourselves about what happened to East Jerusalem when it was under the control of "the Muslim Umma" between 1948 and 1967. - Islamization of East Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation | WIKI
a. That as soon as the Arab Legion captured the Jewish Quarter of East Jerusalem, they went on the rampage. The Legion's commander, Abdallah el-Tal, recalled, "... The operations of calculated destruction were set in motion....Only four days after our entry into Jerusalem the Jewish Quarter had become a graveyard..." (from Abdallah el-Tal, Disaster of Palestine, Cairo 1959).
b. The Jews living in the quarter that survived that rampage were forced to surrender and to leave their homes.
c. The destruction, desecration, and systematic looting of Jewish sites in east Jerusalem continued all through this period - 57 ancient synagogues, libraries and centers of religious study were ransacked and 12 were totally and deliberately destroyed. Those that remained standing were defaced, used for housing of both people and animals.
d. In addition, thousands of tombstones from the ancient cemetery on the Mount of Olives were used as paving stones for roads and as construction material in Jordanian army camps. Parts of the cemetery were converted into parking lots, a filling station, and an asphalt road was built to cut through it. The Intercontinental Hotel was built at the top of the cemetery.
b. The Jews living in the quarter that survived that rampage were forced to surrender and to leave their homes.
c. The destruction, desecration, and systematic looting of Jewish sites in east Jerusalem continued all through this period - 57 ancient synagogues, libraries and centers of religious study were ransacked and 12 were totally and deliberately destroyed. Those that remained standing were defaced, used for housing of both people and animals.
d. In addition, thousands of tombstones from the ancient cemetery on the Mount of Olives were used as paving stones for roads and as construction material in Jordanian army camps. Parts of the cemetery were converted into parking lots, a filling station, and an asphalt road was built to cut through it. The Intercontinental Hotel was built at the top of the cemetery.
So, in this 19 year period, East Jerusalem was made exclusively Arab. Appeals were made to the United Nations and in the international community to declare the Old City to be an 'open city' and stop this destruction, but there was no response. This was in the face of the fact that Jewish presence and sovereignty in east Jerusalem actually predated the Arab presence there, and was nearly continuous.
The destruction (and actual genuine "apartheid") continued until Jordan lost control again in June 1967.
But what representative of any of the Muslim Umma anywhere have not stated their intentions as regards Jerusalem? - Never mind Iran's annual "Al Quds" day (Jerusalem day), and the rhetoric and activities on display during it. - Even ISIS are focused on it. E.g.
"As for the near term, you will see the legions of the Khilafah pounding your lands and your fortresses - They will liberate Jerusalem from your filth, by Allah's permission."
"O Jews, indeed the one who handed you Jerusalem said, "The Crusade is over". - But today, we say to you, the Islamic conquests have begun, and the Jews have become frightened because the promise is near..." (From their released video where they execute the alleged Mossad agent)
"O Jews, indeed the one who handed you Jerusalem said, "The Crusade is over". - But today, we say to you, the Islamic conquests have begun, and the Jews have become frightened because the promise is near..." (From their released video where they execute the alleged Mossad agent)
Or, another statement here that ISIS released in 2014, in CAIRO, NOVEMBER 3 - The Islamic State (ISIS) has issued a statement saying that an Islamic Caliphate will be established in the Sinai, calling it the ''first step towards the invasion of Jerusalem''. The statement threatens Egyptian security forces, which were suffered an attack on October 24. ISIS urged jihadists in the region to ''destroy police checkpoints and stations, launch RPGs at their gatherings and show the world that the Rule of God must be imposed' - ISIS 'to set up Islamic Caliphate in Sinai' - General news - ANSAMed.it
(And note, infact, that only two days ago, Egyptian media reported that ISIS armed militants from Syria are pouring into Sinai, passing through Jordan - https://ar.rt.com/jmx0)
So, is it not evident that the ordinary Palestinian people are merely pawns?
Then, how would we logically best ensure that their best interests, freedom, right to self determination, prosperity and security would be protected?
I highly doubt it is by appeasing the OIC.