Is there anyone on the palestinian side, of the caliber of Martin McGuinness, who will take a chance on peace?

L'Chaim

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Is there anyone on the palestinian side, of the caliber of Martin McGuinness, who will take a chance on peace?

We've seen what can be accomplished when terrorists, like Martin McGuinness, turn their backs on terrorism and agree to resolve disputes solely by diplomatic means. We've seen, going back to the foundation of this state, what can be achieved when terrorists take the diplomatic route. So I'm wondering, why isn't there pressure being put on the palestinian leaders to turn their backs on terrorism and take a chance on peace. Why don't the supporters of the palestinian cause say they will not support the palestinian cause unless the palestinian leaders take a chance on peace? What are they afraid of?

It seems that the palestinian ruling parties and, of course, all their official and unofficial spokespeople hereabouts, are dead set on perpetual war which is all fine and dandy until eventually Israel retaliates
 
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I have seen some sh*tyy opportunisn in my time, but this OP takes the biscuit.

Have an aspirin and lie down
 

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It is only turning on its head a question asked by a supporter of the palestinian cause, Luidin. I'll let him know you think his original question was "some sh*tty opportunism"
 

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Good luck finding a Palestinian willing to support the IDF and condemn the Palestinian resistance.
They've more pride and sense.
 

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Zionists invented terrorism in the Middle East. Their bombing of the King David Hotel a prime example of early terror.

Israel itself was born out of terrorism, and terrorism enabled its growth and the growth of the massive illegal Jew-only settlements which - by design, Israeli design - have destroyed the Palestinian state.

Now an apparatus of state terrorism subdues the Palestinian people who are subject to an apartheid system of rule, and every few years another act of mass-terror is carried out as Israeli terrorists butcher thousands in Gaza, the last of which left 550 Palestinian children dead.

Israel is in effect a terrorist state which also uses its proxy: the United States Military to terrorise its neighbours like Iraq and Syria, leaving hundreds of thousands dead and millions homeless, all in the name of 'security' for the terror-state of Israel. This has caused the refugee crisis engulfing Europe, and the rise of ISIS, who threaten us in Europe.

The creep who started this thread will not even capitalise the P in Palestinian. He/she loves terror; Israeli terror, and hates the victims of Israeli terror: innocent Arabs, Muslim and Christian.

This thread is yet another disgraceful attempt to label these victims of Israeli terror as the terrorists, and should be zoo'ed!
LOL !
A poster featuring a terrorist as avatar gives out about terrorism ! Talk about a hypocrite....
 

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There was always powerful doves during the Troubles who wanted to strengthen the moderates on the CNR while if we look over in Palestine what we see is that the Zionists have rather sought to undermine Palestinian moderates and strengthen the hands of the extremists (look at how they helped set up Hamas) because they see them as being more useful in accomplishing their ultimate goal by serving to isolate the Palestinians from support and sympathy in Europe and the United States. The situations are really not comparable at all.
 

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We've seen what can be accomplished when terrorists, like Martin McGuinness, turn their backs on terrorism and agree to resolve disputes solely by diplomatic means. We've seen, going back to the foundation of this state, what can be achieved when terrorists take the diplomatic route. So I'm wondering, why isn't there pressure being put on the palestinian leaders to turn their backs on terrorism and take a chance on peace. Why don't the supporters of the palestinian cause say they will not support the palestinian cause unless the palestinian leaders take a chance on peace? What are they afraid of?

It seems that the palestinian ruling parties and, of course, all their official and unofficial spokespeople hereabouts, are dead set on perpetual war which is all fine and dandy until eventually Israel retaliates
So what you're saying is when the Irish fight for freedom they are so-called terrorists.

But when the Brits murder, rape and plunder their way round the world causing millions of deaths it's not terrorism?

When the zionazis ethnic cleanse and mass murder the Palestinian people it's not terrorism?
 

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We've seen what can be accomplished when terrorists, like Martin McGuinness, turn their backs on terrorism and agree to resolve disputes solely by diplomatic means. We've seen, going back to the foundation of this state, what can be achieved when terrorists take the diplomatic route. So I'm wondering, why isn't there pressure being put on the palestinian leaders to turn their backs on terrorism and take a chance on peace. Why don't the supporters of the palestinian cause say they will not support the palestinian cause unless the palestinian leaders take a chance on peace? What are they afraid of?

It seems that the palestinian ruling parties and, of course, all their official and unofficial spokespeople hereabouts, are dead set on perpetual war which is all fine and dandy until eventually Israel retaliates
A more relevant and realistic question might be 'is there anyone on the Israeli side willing to take a chance on breaking with tradition to talk seriously about peace'?

There was one, Yitzhak Rabin, but you murdered him and a similar statesman hasn't risen from the ranks of Israeli politics since.

We're now lumbered with right-wing rabble led by a corrupt individual incapable of even thinking about, much less reaching, compromise with anybody who refuses to roll over. Big walls, arbitrary punishments, economic blockades, sequestration of water supplies, theft of land, internment and the odd cluster bombing of Gaza have all done their bit to ensure that peace with the Palestinians will always be kept at a safe distance.

The Israelis love nothing more than talking about peace. It propagates the illusion that you might actually even want it.
 

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I suppose Walid Shoebat is a kind of Palestinian Gerry Adams. Just the glaring holes in each of their stories are at opposite tracks.
Uh no the Irish versions of Walid Shoebat are Vincent McKenna and Sean O'Callaghan.
 

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No its not possible
No palestinian lreader has the right to make ANY concessions in their war against Israel. He would be killed if he did. All of Israel is deemed to be Muslim lands in their religion and must be ruled by Muslims according to Muslim laws and NO ONE has a right to change that.
Beyond that imprimateur, everything else is tactics.
 

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Israel keeps a large number of palestinian leaders in jail. One of them might be the next McGuinness. Mandella spent decades in jail before release and the presidency.
 

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The Palestinian cause has more legal weight behind it, because UNSCR 2334 and others have affirmed the Israel occupation of the 1967 territories is illegal. Northern Ireland was not covered by a similar resolution.
 

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Hewson: A more relevant and realistic question might be 'is there anyone on the Israeli side willing to take a chance on breaking with tradition to talk seriously about peace'?
This morning's Times of Israel has this piece from an unlikely peacenik. The former Mossad chief puts the peace proposition as a way of securing Israel's security.


Lack of 2 state solution is existential threat to Israel -- ex-Mossad chief | The Times of Israel

Since stepping down as the as the spy agency director last year, Pardo has joined the growing ranks of retired security men to urge the government to seek a two-state solution.
 

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This morning's Times of Israel has this piece from an unlikely peacenik. The former Mossad chief puts the peace proposition as a way of securing Israel's security.


Lack of 2 state solution is existential threat to Israel -- ex-Mossad chief | The Times of Israel
And that speaks to the fact that its easy for rightwing Israeli politicians to go to war using other peoples children as soldiers. If their own children were doing the fighting this conflict would have ended decades ago.

I personally have always felt Ismail Haniyeh has the potential to be the Gerry Adams/Martin McGuiness of Hamas. I think this was on the cards in 2006 before Israel and the neocons in Washington bullied the Quartet into sanctions to punish Palestinians for electing Hamas, which showed up the sham of their support for democracy in the Arab world. He has spoken both in favour of a two state solution and against - reflecting the need to keep moderates and hardliners on board - and also reflecting the opening position in the brinkmanship of negotiations.
 

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Bargouti is supposed to be a hard man as well as being intelligent, but probably unable to bring Hamas onside, never mind dissidents from within Fatah.
 

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Bargouti is supposed to be a hard man as well as being intelligent, but probably unable to bring Hamas onside, never mind dissidents from within Fatah.
Israels opposition to the previous Palestinian unity govt shows that Israel does not intend to allow Abbas to bring Hamas on side in any shape or form.
 

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Once the talk of peace begins, each side must sort out for themselves who represents the best interests of their people. It wasn't possible in Ireland to bring everyone onside but a sufficient number accepted the McGuinness-Adams proposition. It was also necessary for the peace initiative to come from the hard men, such as McGuinness, as it is only enemies that can make peace.

It is also worth remembering that the opponents of a peaceful settlement were found in the most unlikely places - not just among the 'dissidents' who wanted to fight on but in the Irish Independent, Fine Gael and the Labour Party who promoted dissidents to celebrity and Senator positions.
 

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There isnt anyone on the Israeli side who would do what David Trimble did when he faced down half of the Unionist community in NI by supporting the Good Friday Agreement. Unlike the Irish, the Palestinians dont have a strong lobby in the US. The settlers are Israels equivalent of the Orange Order.
 
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