Is this what Palestinian-Israeli peace looks like? - A new federation to be called Greater Palestine

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Bassem Eid’s PEACE VISION
A new federation to be called Greater Palestine that will consist of the three sovereign independent states of Israel, Palestine (West Bank) and Gaza | PDF



Background of the author.

To briefly give a little background on the man who penned that, well he is a Palestinian who grew up in a refugee camp, a human rights activist whose research and journalism first put B’Tselem on the map.

However, ensuing the first intifada he began reporting on human rights violations by Palestinians as well as human rights violations by Israelis, so was indicted as a “collaborator” by Fatah, and jailed.

However he was released following widespread and international condemnation, and has since remained a free man.

But then his freedom to criticize the PA was clamped down on within B’Tselem itself, so he resigned, and founded the Palestinian Human rights Monitoring Group - however as he did not focus solely on Israel but also included the PA, his funding dried up...


Acknowledging he would be at odds with establishment thinking in this country.

The other thing to say about him, especially wrt our recent boycott bill in this country, well he would be very strongly against that.

E.g. Palestinian human rights activist: BDS hurts us more than Israel

"... Erdan and Elhayani show the data highlights the fallacies of boycott activists’ actions against factories in Judea, Samaria and in the Jordan Valley directly and significantly affect the economic wellbeing of both Palestinians and the Palestinian economy..."​
And obviously, his vision of peace is very at odds with what BDS in general and the leadership of it advocate. -E.g. BDS - In Their Own Words

But I'm interested to know what people think of it?

It seems to me like he's covered most of the bases to me. In particular I think he identifies well those points about he points out "... you will never succeed getting the two factions sitting opposite each other at a negotiating table to EVER AGREE..."

Thoughts?
 


Golah veNekhar

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Bassem Eid is indeed a snake. He has spoken openly about how he deeply respects the Jewish tradition of Human Rights and respect for human life- this when living in a culture where mainstream Jews refer openly to mass murder being carried out in Gaza as "mowing the lawn" and knowing full well that within the Green Line the soil is spotted with mass graves from the first and second intifadas (these are documented in the Zionist book "Rise and Kill First" which people need to read in order to grasp fully where roc and Speedfreak are coming from). Abbas at least in his prostituting himself to Zionism sincerely believes he is working to prevent the Judeo-Nazis from carrying out a third and final Nabka. With Eid it is a much more of a case of a sleazy "if you cannot beat them, join them".

Okay serious thoughts: if they were not being propped by Zionism Fatah would collapse. They have very little to no support among the Palestinians masses of the West Bank the majority of which now support either Hamas or Balad which is an "Arab Israeli" Party who will probably follow the Northern Branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel in being banned after the next election (roc will you support their banning?). The aggro between Hamas and Fatah is not aggro between the Palestinian masses of Gaza and the West Bank.

Increasingly however Zionism itself is making Fatah irrelevant. They are yesterday's men and women. Zionism cannot allow sovereign indigenous Palestinian states in Eretz Israel and still remain Zionism. The question also of the Right to Return is not addressed: would Zionism allow the right of return of the indigenous to Gaza and the West Bank? Of course not. Also part of securing a just and lasting peace has to be addressing the dumbing down and isolating from the rest of the Levant of the Jewish masses there, as well as the abject poverty that they have been placed in by their rulers in the wealthiest state in the Middle East. He does not address this issue which suggests possible anti-Semitism on his part.

BDS is really as Gideon Levy says the only game in town. It is only thing that stands any hope of preventing Zionism living out it's genocidal logic.
 

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Bassem Eid is indeed a snake. He has spoken openly about how he deeply respects the Jewish tradition of Human Rights and respect for human life- this when living in a culture where mainstream Jews refer openly to mass murder being carried out in Gaza as "mowing the lawn" and knowing full well that within the Green Line the soil is spotted with mass graves from the first and second intifadas (these are documented in the Zionist book "Rise and Kill First" which people need to read in order to grasp fully where roc and Speedfreak are coming from). Abbas at least in his prostituting himself to Zionism sincerely believes he is working to prevent the Judeo-Nazis from carrying out a third and final Nabka. With Eid it is a much more of a case of a sleazy "if you cannot beat them, join them".

Okay serious thoughts: if they were not being propped by Zionism Fatah would collapse. They have very little to no support among the Palestinians masses of the West Bank the majority of which now support either Hamas or Balad which is an "Arab Israeli" Party who will probably follow the Northern Branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel in being banned after the next election (roc will you support their banning?). The aggro between Hamas and Fatah is not aggro between the Palestinian masses of Gaza and the West Bank.

Increasingly however Zionism itself is making Fatah irrelevant. They are yesterday's men and women. Zionism cannot allow sovereign indigenous Palestinian states in Eretz Israel and still remain Zionism. The question also of the Right to Return is not addressed: would Zionism allow the right of return of the indigenous to Gaza and the West Bank? Of course not. Also part of securing a just and lasting peace has to be addressing the dumbing down and isolating from the rest of the Levant of the Jewish masses there, as well as the abject poverty that they have been placed in by their rulers in the wealthiest state in the Middle East. He does not address this issue which suggests possible anti-Semitism on his part.

BDS is really as Gideon Levy says the only game in town. It is only thing that stands any hope of preventing Zionism living out it's genocidal logic.

 

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I don't think there is much evidence that the so called Palestinian Arabs are in any ways serious about wanting peace. There is far too much money coming into their rulers Swiss bank accounts - and thats a boat they don't want to rock. And the fate of your average Mohammed or Aisha in their region of control is of little or no concern to them
Proof of that was seen when Israel evacuated Jews from one of their ancient homelands, Gaza, they promptly turned it into the greatest hellhole on earth
I don't see the wider Arab world agreeing to it either as their rulers need an enemy like Israel to divert the attention of the masses away from their misrule.
It might be a good plan but requires a little bit of goodwil from the Arab side to make it work.
And that will never come.
 

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....."I don't see the wider Arab world agreeing to it either as their rulers need an enemy like Israel to divert the attention of the masses away from their misrule."

Well if a despicable baby slaughtering land thieving gang of thugs was what the requirement then it was well satisfied by introducing those vile loud mouthed israeli thugs.
 

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....."I don't see the wider Arab world agreeing to it either as their rulers need an enemy like Israel to divert the attention of the masses away from their misrule."

Well if a despicable baby slaughtering land thieving gang of thugs was what the requirement then it was well satisfied by introducing those vile loud mouthed israeli thugs.
The Irish don't need any lessons in baby slaughtering, do they ?
 

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If Israel wants to rule over all of Israel-Palestine, then it cannot be both a Jewish and democratic state since the Jews would be a minority in that state. Indeed its believed that it may already be 50:50 between Arabs and Jews.

Israel can only be a Jewish and democratic state if there is one man, one vote, with a Jewish majority. This in some ways resembles the battle for one man one vote in Northern Ireland during the Old Stormont, and in Apartheid South Africa - in fact more so the latter since there was already a Black majority in SA.

As for the answer to this conundrum I put forward the following options:

Option 1: A multiethnic powersharing system over Israel-Palestine.

Option 2: A three state solution for Israel, Gaza and the West Banks, with each being independent of each other.

Option 3: Give Gaza to Egypt and let the WB go free. The Sisi regime is a reliable ally of Israel and so that's Hamas taken care of. On the other hand, the human rights situation there would continue to be bad, but its better than being bombed and it wouldnt be as theocratic. In any case, internal Palestinian affairs are Palestinian business, not those of Israel.

Option 4: Persuade Jordan to take back the West Bank or parts thereof. Jordan gave up its claims to the WB under the 1994 agreement. Again, Jordan and Israel have good relations so this might resolve security threats to Israel from the West Bank, though the positioning of the Israeli settlements might make it harder to police. It is worth noting though that Jordan has been very effective in preventing rocket attacks from its territory. I think Jordan is presently not interested in this because they already have millions of Palestinian refugees who are in fact two thirds of the population.

Option 5: The status quo. This is not sustainble as it is Apartheid and minority rule and will further spur the BDS campaign.

Option 6: A UN protectorate over the Palestinian territories similar to that of Bosnia in the 1990s and early 2000s. The Palestinians would have self rule but the UN would hold them to a peace deal and a Paddy Ashdown-type Administrator appointed by the UN could overrule violations of the deal by the Palestinians.
 

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If Israel wants to rule over all of Israel-Palestine, then it cannot be both a Jewish and democratic state since the Jews would be a minority in that state. Indeed its believed that it may already be 50:50 between Arabs and Jews.

Israel can only be a Jewish and democratic state if there is one man, one vote, with a Jewish majority. This in some ways resembles the battle for one man one vote in Northern Ireland during the Old Stormont, and in Apartheid South Africa - in fact more so the latter since there was already a Black majority in SA.

As for the answer to this conundrum I put forward the following options:

Option 1: A multiethnic powersharing system over Israel-Palestine.

Option 2: A three state solution for Israel, Gaza and the West Banks, with each being independent of each other.

Option 3: Give Gaza to Egypt and let the WB go free. The Sisi regime is a reliable ally of Israel and so that's Hamas taken care of. On the other hand, the human rights situation there would continue to be bad, but its better than being bombed and it wouldnt be as theocratic. In any case, internal Palestinian affairs are Palestinian business, not those of Israel.

Option 4: Persuade Jordan to take back the West Bank or parts thereof. Jordan gave up its claims to the WB under the 1994 agreement. Again, Jordan and Israel have good relations so this might resolve security threats to Israel from the West Bank, though the positioning of the Israeli settlements might make it harder to police. It is worth noting though that Jordan has been very effective in preventing rocket attacks from its territory. I think Jordan is presently not interested in this because they already have millions of Palestinian refugees who are in fact two thirds of the population.

Option 5: The status quo. This is not sustainble as it is Apartheid and minority rule and will further spur the BDS campaign.

Option 6: A UN protectorate over the Palestinian territories similar to that of Bosnia in the 1990s and early 2000s. The Palestinians would have self rule but the UN would hold them to a peace deal and a Paddy Ashdown-type Administrator appointed by the UN could overrule violations of the deal by the Palestinians.

BS.

The so called Palestinians have an autonomy.

They can rule themselves in area A, they have Israeli protection in area B, or else Hamas would have butchered Fatah people.

In area C there will be an annexation, in a few months or years.

As for borders - they will always stay under Israeli control, just like an enclave, or some statelets in Europe and in the Caucasus.
 

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Can anyone understand why the Apartheid regime and their useless trolls support holocaust denial and anti-semitism?
 

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The Irish don't need any lessons in baby slaughtering, do they ?
As I have said before and honestly it cannot be said enough, the support for Zionist colonialism in the contemporary world by people such as yourself is never, ever about ahavath Yisrael. All the Goyish actually committed Zionists I have met would have made fine Auschwitz guards. What did the Southern Irish did in the recent referendum was sick however do you actually care about the Jewish babies murdered through the abortion culture among Jews in Eretz Israel? To give you an idea of how sick the abortion culture is over there:

http://www.cbc-network.org/2011/11/israeli-children-suing-for-their-own-wrongful-lives/

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/wrongful-birth-increasing-number-of-disabled-israeli-children-sue-for-not-b
 

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BS.

The so called Palestinians have an autonomy.

They can rule themselves in area A, they have Israeli protection in area B, or else Hamas would have butchered Fatah people.

In area C there will be an annexation, in a few months or years.

As for borders - they will always stay under Israeli control, just like an enclave, or some statelets in Europe and in the Caucasus.
What they have in Area B and C is not "protection" except perhaps as Russia would define it in Crimea, the breakaway Georgian regions or Eastern Ukraine, which means the right to terrorise the other community without any kind of due process when Arabs are expelled from their homes. Shame on Israel, which claims to be the Jewish state, when it treats others as Jews were treated for centuries in Europe.
 

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Nonsense! In other words Bull $hitttt

What they have in area B is much more than a protectorate, they not only have their own administration, but the Israelis fight for them against Hamas.

Abbas is doing the same economically, but without Israel area B would look like Gaza in 2006-2007 for Fatah.

Area C is something else - the only ones who've been expelled till now from an area were the Jews - both from Gaza and Northern Samaria where one wouldn't find any settlements!!!

The Arabs in area C who illegally occupied lands to build politically-motivated constructions, like in Khan El-Ahmar and in the Southern Hebron hills, should be evacuated.

Jews have been evacuated just last year from their homes, and the arabs are not different, and eventually they will be evacuated.

Though they still have more freedom to build illegally than the Jews, as the Israeli administration ignores most of those hundreds of thousands of illegal construction.
 


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