Is Unionism a Culture of Fear?

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Jobs. And in jobs Catholics would have to keep their tribal identity secret so that Roisin became Susan. I thought you were from a CNR background?
What happened in the 90's that changed all this? I seriously doubt Roisin changing her name to Susan would have convinced anyone she was a Protestant. You can with a great degree of certainty tell the religion of anyone in Northern Ireland by what school they attended ,what their parents names are and where they lived. Did Roisin change all that as well when applying for a job?
 


michael-mcivor

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Would that not have been more like the Official IRA?

Do a search through the links below for words like Socialist or Marxist.

Other link: wikipedia/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

The alphabet soup - PIRA OIRA INLA etc - does get confusing.
The Officals stopped fighting the Brits in 1972 and their political wing the workers party said they would swear allegiance to the Brit crown- but as you said- you are confused-
 

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What happened in the 90's that changed all this? I seriously doubt Roisin changing her name to Susan would have convinced anyone she was a Protestant. You can with a great degree of certainty tell the religion of anyone in Northern Ireland by what school they attended ,what their parents names are and where they lived. Did Roisin change all that as well when applying for a job?
John Major brought major anti-discrimination laws that had already been in force on the UK mainland for a long time. Than even further legislation came in. You cant tell by what their family name is because CNR have Ulster Scot names given the high rate of conversions to Catholicism which is the principle reason that motivated people to found the Orange Order. Im not going to look now but I will find for you if you are interested the post that was on the mainboard where this was discussed. You used to say that everything outside of a few psychos was basically normal and nice in Northern Ireland- are you still going to say that?
 
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John Major brought major anti-discrimination laws that had already been in force on the UK mainland. Than even further legislation came in. You cant tell by what their family name is because CNR have Ulster Scot names given the high rate of conversions to Catholicism which is the principle reason that motivated people to found the Orange Order. Im not going to look now but I will find for you if you are interested the post that was on the mainboard where this was discussed. You used to say that everything outside of a few psychos was basically normal and nice in Northern Ireland- are you still going to say that?
RET,
you have forgotten that the current Roman Catholics are just the slow learners. The intelligent RC's from previous generations are the one's that took the soup and turned to follow Jesus in the reformed true Christian faith.
 

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The Officals stopped fighting the Brits in 1972 and their political wing the workers party said they would swear allegiance to the Brit crown- but as you said- you are confused-
True - The OIRA did stop fighting and stuck to fairly left wing politics.
One of the reasons for the OIRA-PIRA split was that the Provos had little interest in the OIRA's Marxist style socialist republics.

I didnt say I was confused.
 

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The Troubles were in many ways a Unionist prophecy that Unionism with a capital U worked hard to fulfil.

Unionism with a capital U refuses to learn any lessons from it.

The future is dark for Northern Ireland- mass ethnic cleansing and bloodshed on both sides if the current state of play continues.
 

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The Troubles were in many ways a Unionist prophecy that Unionism with a capital U worked hard to fulfil.

Unionism with a capital U refuses to learn any lessons from it.

The future is dark for Northern Ireland- mass ethnic cleansing and bloodshed on both sides if the current state of play continues.
RET,
completely wrong as you should know.
The trouble and terrorism since the legitimate creation of Northern Ireland was all down to the RC predisposition towards terrorism and the deluded sectarian notion of a utopian united Ireland,
The old "They haven't gone away, you know" still lingers in the current alphabet RA and RC sympathisers.
 

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Good God. The utter delusional sh1te that is posted by so-called "Unionists" on this site can only be described as utter delusional sh1te. It really is embarrassing.
 

Novos

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John Major brought major anti-discrimination laws that had already been in force on the UK mainland for a long time. Than even further legislation came in. You cant tell by what their family name is because CNR have Ulster Scot names given the high rate of conversions to Catholicism which is the principle reason that motivated people to found the Orange Order. Im not going to look now but I will find for you if you are interested the post that was on the mainboard where this was discussed. You used to say that everything outside of a few psychos was basically normal and nice in Northern Ireland- are you still going to say that?
It was always like that. Most people never saw a murder or a dead body, Belfast has great people apart from he nutters
 

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RET,
completely wrong as you should know.
The trouble and terrorism since the legitimate creation of Northern Ireland was all down to the RC predisposition towards terrorism and the deluded sectarian notion of a utopian united Ireland,
The old "They haven't gone away, you know" still lingers in the current alphabet RA and RC sympathisers.
Give us a big "Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww!" DOG. You know you want to.
 

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Easy.
From Sunningdale onwards, Westminster maintained a consistent policy of insisting upon power sharing as the template for a future devolved government here. Unionists steadfastly refused to accept that until David Trimble finally gave way on the issue in 1996. Westminster forced unionists to accept power sharing, and a 32 county Irish dimension as the template for settlement, not the IRA. Because like the majority of unionists the IRA also rejected Sunningdale first time around.
This is not difficult stuff.
The GFA is a settlement. Your 32 county Irish dimension is simply a recognised option. That has always been accepted as an option, and rejected.
 

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The GFA is a settlement. Your 32 county Irish dimension is simply a recognised option. That has always been accepted as an option, and rejected.
The GFA will recognise a All Ireland if the people vote that way- hardly a settlement set in stone- I will leave it up to the people- what about yourself -
 

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It you that needs to get a grip. I've no idea what you are on about. The slogans you started with exist on both sides, FTQ, UP THE RA, NOT A BULLET NOT AN OUNCE. Though to be fair 2 or those are no longer used for obvious reasons.
No, of course you don't. And you might also have said that you have no idea what you are talking about yourself, because it is increasingly clear that you don't. The idea that we wouldn't have needed the GFA and that unionists would have transformed themselves and the discriminatory establishment here on their own without being forced into it by a variety of others is ridiculous. They were resisting the implementation of the McBride Principles right up to their full implementation at the end of the last century. We'd never have had the disbandment of the thoroughly discredited UDR and RUC if it had been left to the goodwill of unionists. To suggest that we wouldn't have needed the GFA shows that you understand nothing. You display all the characteristics of a parvenu. Maybe that is because you are one. :)
 

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No, of course you don't. And you might also have said that you have no idea what you are talking about yourself, because it is increasingly clear that you don't. The idea that we wouldn't have needed the GFA and that unionists would have transformed themselves and the discriminatory establishment here on their own without being forced into it by a variety of others is ridiculous. They were resisting the implementation of the McBride Principles right up to their full implementation at the end of the last century. We'd never have had the disbandment of the thoroughly discredited UDR and RUC if it had been left to the goodwill of unionists. To suggest that we wouldn't have needed the GFA shows that you understand nothing. You display all the characteristics of a parvenu. Maybe that is because you are one. :)
Translation: themuns monkeys and chimps...
 

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I have always been a democrat. Nice of you to catch up.
If you are unionist you cannot be a democrat, as unionism in the NI context is undemocratic, as NI was not created on the basis of democracy. Oh wait, I forgot you are a non-unionist unionist i.e. a unionist in denial, who just yesterday admitted to being pro-union, and by that measure not a democrat.
 

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If you are unionist you cannot be a democrat, as unionism in the NI context is undemocratic, as NI was not created on the basis of democracy. Oh wait, I forgot you are a non-unionist unionist i.e. a unionist in denial, who just yesterday admitted to being pro-union, and by that measure not a democrat.
If that is height of your intellect, it probably means that the fact by your own logic CNR have no democratic mandate in NI, will have escaped you along with that brainfart...
 

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If that is height of your intellect, it probably means that the fact by your own logic CNR have no democratic mandate in NI, will have escaped you along with that brainfart...
Poor effort, brainless the brainless. CNRs were trapped within the 6 counties upon partition. They were issued with no option but to play the pseudo-democratic game which unionism created in its own interests. The SDLP chose to accept pseudo-democracy. Was the PIRAs campaign one of democracy?
 

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You have no response, because you are notoriously brain dead.
Child you proclaimed NI as undemocratic, therefore by your own logic any political process in the aforementioned previously proclaimed undemocratic NI has no democracy, simples. But not happy with having already shown yourself to be gormless unimaginative half wit you add to the insurmountable body of evidence by proclaiming that only those who agree with you can be viewed as being democratic...
 

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