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Islam in Europe.


NewDawn1

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Whatever your opinions on Islam and its position in Europe, it seems to be a significant current issue. For a variety of reasons this religion has had regular coverage and debate in the media, among other places on issues surrounding it accross the continent. But why might this be? Could it be that there be a possible Islamification of Europe under way?

This article Islam Watch - "Islamization of Europe: A theory of the Islamization process in European countries" - by No Sharia certainly seems to think so. It states that there are 8 stages of the existance of Islam in any given country whereas Islam will either come out dominant at the last stage, with horrible consequences or another alternative that is also pretty drastic. (Please note that this article is from 2007). It partly reads:

'8. Victory for European forces (A), or victory for Islam (B)

(A) A possible end result of a civil war resulting in a victory for the domestic population will be the total banishment of traditional Islam from a specific country. Widespread emigration/deportation and large scale conversion of Muslims in the country.

(B) A victory for Islam will allow all the rules of a victorious Islam to be applied. Traditional Islam will substitute for all liberal western versions of Islam that have grown in the country but still lack any real theoretical basis and a real doctrine.

Massive and nationwide expropriations, slavery of conquered women, continued slaughter of non-Christians and Christians known for opinions opposed to Islam and of moderate Muslims who initially try to protect non-Muslims, murder of minorities e g gays. A Muslim dictatorship without democracy similar to religious dictatorships in the Middle East, is established.

The sharia laws is the basis for a new constitution and the laws of the country. The institution of dhimmitude is introduced and will regulate the life of Christians and Jews. The rest of the population will slowly be eliminated. The GNP declines successively to less than 50 % of its former level, and an insignificant growth happen only during good years.'
Could this all be hyperbole? But if this article is valid (which I think it at least has some value), I reckon that Ireland is somewhere between stage one and two. But how might a possible Islamification of Europe play out in years to come with a quickly rising Islamic population?

The below video explains what has already happened in Lebanon and what could be the start of what is happening in Europe. The article in the link above places Lebanon at stage seven.

[video=youtube;YIZylM72JmA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIZylM72JmA[/video]
 
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TARZAN

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When people are poor religion plays a significant part in their thinking . In Ireland we were a bastion of Catholicism where until about 30 years ago the church ruled the country. Affluence brings a different way of thinking and even many Muslims know that wealthy Muslims engage in drinking, gambling and whoring when abroad in non Muslim countries. This attitude is similar to what the good Irish Catholics did when they went to the USA and England in search of employment in the 50's. Its only a matter of time before Islam takes over from Christianity as the world's number one faith but when it does it will eventually go down the same road as the religion it succeeded as wealth rules this world and let nobody tell you otherwise.
 

ocianain

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The Islamification of Europe will not happen, a massive war will. Contrary to PC propaganda the Islamic perspective is incapable of supporting a modern society. It doesn't work in Islamic countries, why would it work elsewhere? The problem is the West has abandoned the Faith. This will have consequences, Islam is part of that.
 

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Don't care myself as long as they uphold the law in the country of residence and stay away from the local nutter who may try and corrupt their thinking and mind.
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I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.
Barbara Lerner Spectre
 

NewDawn1

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More Islamophobia
To have a phobia is to have an irrational fear. First of all you have to prove I have a fear. Please show me? Then if you can do this, prove that this fear is irrational?
 

Prester Jim

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Barbara Lerner Spectre
Whoever she is, she has not got a clue.
The great, great majority of anti-semitism is coming from fundamental Islamists not Europeans, even a cursory glance at any of the articles throughout Europe clearly show that.
Unless she is mistaking criticism of Israel for anti-semitism, which in 99% of cases it is not (when from Europeans).
 

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Islam is incompatible with Western values, like gay rights, equality of women, and free speech. The liberals are left with a perplexing dilemma - they must reject muslim immigration or lose their gay rights and promiscuity freedoms.
 

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Islam is incompatible with Western values, like gay rights, equality of women, and free speech. The liberals are left with a perplexing dilemma - they must reject muslim immigration or lose their gay rights and promiscuity freedoms.
If you believe that, what are you going to do ?
 

NewDawn1

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The Islamification of Europe will not happen, a massive war will. Contrary to PC propaganda the Islamic perspective is incapable of supporting a modern society. It doesn't work in Islamic countries, why would it work elsewhere? The problem is the West has abandoned the Faith. This will have consequences, Islam is part of that.
'Why did Bosnia collapse into the worst slaughter in Europe since the second World War? In the thirty years before the meltdown, Bosnian Serbs had declined from 43 percent to 31 percent of the population, while Bosnian Muslims had increased from 26 percent to 44 percent. In a democratic age, you can't buck demography — except through civil war. The Serbs figured that out, as other Continentals will in the years ahead: if you cannot outbreed the enemy, cull 'em. The problem that Europe faces is that Bosnia's demographic profile is now the model for the entire continent.'

Mark Steyn, America Alone.
 

Thac0man

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Could this all be hyperbole?
Yes it can be, and yes it is.

But if this article is valid
Its not. It is written by people who dedicate their lives and spend their time watching someone elses religion. Would an article called 'Catholics are bad' by a guy calling himself 'No Pope' seem objective?
 

Fo Real

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If you believe that, what are you going to do ?
Reject muslim immigration, of course. Why should we adapt for immigrants? It's supposed to be the other way around. What the lefties fail to understand is that this isn't a race issue - it's a cultural one. Secular, educated Arabs with skills that we need are welcome to temporarily work in Ireland.
 

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Islamic violence was traditionally directed inward against variously Islamic sects and groupings. Islamic jihads aimed at using violence at remaking western society is a fairly new phenomenon that itself draws from the Western tradition of the Jacobins and Bolshevism.

Christianity and the economic and political collapse of the European union are far greater and immediate threats.
 

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The Muslims are coming, we need 300 good men to stem the tide.
 

Trampas

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Islamic violence was traditionally directed inward against variously Islamic sects and groupings. Islamic jihads aimed at using violence at remaking western society is a fairly new phenomenon that itself draws from the Western tradition of the Jacobins and Bolshevism.

Christianity and the economic and political collapse of the European union are far greater and immediate threats.

Translation: Nothing to see here. Please move along.
 
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