Islamisation: A Myth?

readytogo

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A very good report by Edmund Standing explaining why he thinks claims of Britain's 'Islamisation' have been greatly exaggerated. Well worth a read.

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I see Standing writes for the Harry's Place blog, not particularly known for its Islamist sympathies.
 


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Mohammed is now the most popular name for newborn boys in England and Wales ahead of Jack and Harry, it emerged today.

The name, when 12 different spellings were included, was given to 7,549 youngsters in 2009, official statistics revealed.

Oliver was the second most popular and it was given to 7,364 boys in England and Wales in 12 months.

Jack was third, Harry fourth and Alfie in fifth place in the league table of names.

However, because official figures did not take into account the variations in the spelling of Mohammed, Oliver was named as the most popular boys name by the Office of National Statistics (ONS) who released the information. Jack had been the top name for newborn boys in England and Wales for the previous 14 years.
 

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from the article posted:

"Assuming population estimates and polling data are broadly accurate, this means that out of the entire British population, around 1% profess a desire to live under Sharia Law"

1% of a population of 60 million equates to 600,000

Thats a lot of terrorism supporting Jihadists.

Or to put it another way - would you feel comfortable in a country which had a Nazi Party with a membership of 600,000?
 

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from the article posted:

"Assuming population estimates and polling data are broadly accurate, this means that out of the entire British population, around 1% profess a desire to live under Sharia Law"

1% of a population of 60 million equates to 600,000

Thats a lot of terrorism supporting Jihadists.

Or to put it another way - would you feel comfortable in a country which had a Nazi Party with a membership of 600,000?
Expressing a desire for Sharia Law to be incorporated in the legal system does not necessarily entail supporting terrorism, much less perpetrating it. As for the Nazi Party, it would certainly bother me, but in a country with a population of 60 million, I suspect the number of people who harbour pro-fascist sympathies already exceeds that considerably.
 

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Expressing a desire for Sharia Law to be incorporated in the legal system does not necessarily entail supporting terrorism, much less perpetrating it. As for the Nazi Party, it would certainly bother me, but in a country with a population of 60 million, I suspect the number of people who harbour pro-fascist sympathies already exceeds that considerably.

It was on Sky news that most Taliban funding comes from Britain.
 

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Expressing a desire for Sharia Law to be incorporated in the legal system does not necessarily entail supporting terrorism, much less perpetrating it.
No, just supporting mysogny, homophobia, anti-democracy & the rest of the goodies on offer in paradises like somalia & yemen.


in a country with a population of 60 million, I suspect the number of people who harbour pro-fascist sympathies already exceeds that considerably.
Based on what ?
 

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Mohammed is now the most popular name for newborn boys in England and Wales ahead of Jack and Harry, it emerged today.

The name, when 12 different spellings were included, was given to 7,549 youngsters in 2009, official statistics revealed.

Oliver was the second most popular and it was given to 7,364 boys in England and Wales in 12 months.

Jack was third, Harry fourth and Alfie in fifth place in the league table of names.

However, because official figures did not take into account the variations in the spelling of Mohammed, Oliver was named as the most popular boys name by the Office of National Statistics (ONS) who released the information. Jack had been the top name for newborn boys in England and Wales for the previous 14 years.
Very misleading. A high proportion of Muslim boys are called Mohammed whereas Christians use a greater base of names to choose from.
 

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No, just supporting mysogny, homophobia, anti-democracy & the rest of the goodies on offer in paradises like somalia & yemen.
Sharia Law is certainly anti-democratic in application, but similar arguments to yours were once made against Irish Catholic immigrants in America. Salazar's Portugal and Franco's Spain were both Catholic states, and hardly bastions of democracy. Before the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church condemned the principle of religious liberty. In the 1950s, American Protestants could attack Irish Catholic immigrants on the same grounds as modern Islamophobes attack Muslims: that they were hostile to democracy and desiring to transform their constitutionally secular Republic into an illiberal Catholic theocracy, on the same lines as Franco's Spain.

Based on what ?
The high popular support for the BNP and the EDL. There is a strong Powellite tendency in the Tories and UKIP also.
 

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Very misleading. A high proportion of Muslim boys are called Mohammed whereas Christians use a greater base of names to choose from.
Well considering we are talking about a western country, I think it is a little alarming, I never would of thought this could even happen in Britian.
 

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Sharia Law is certainly anti-democratic in application, but similar arguments to yours were once made against Irish Catholic immigrants in America. Salazar's Portugal and Franco's Spain were both Catholic states, and hardly bastions of democracy. Before the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church condemned the principle of religious liberty. In the 1950s, American Protestants could attack Irish Catholic immigrants on the same grounds as modern Islamophobes attack Muslims: that they were hostile to democracy and desiring to transform their constitutionally secular Republic into an illiberal Catholic theocracy, on the same lines as Franco's Spain.
There is a big difference. While the church may have supported Franco and Salazar they did not do so based on Christian scripture nor did the CC desire a constitution based on Catholic doctrine. In fact a division of church and state has always been part of the Christian tradition. Not so with Is;lam where politics and religion are one and the same. There is no end of Islamic groups who are actively seeking to overthrow democracy and impose Sharia. It might well be a minority but they are there.
 

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There is no end of Islamic groups who are actively seeking to overthrow democracy and impose Sharia. It might well be a minority but they are there.
how many islamic groups in ireland have actively sought to "overthrow democracy"?
 

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Whats the point of this thread? Are you another lad tring to dig up information for a thesis on Multiculture?
 


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