Israel Has Turned 70!

General Urko

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The Sate of Israel is celebrating its 70th birthday.

Whatever you think about it and I don't think any other state generates as much intensity of feeling on this site, it's a fascinating country and its survival in itself is somewhat of a miracle!


https://www.timesofisrael.com/somber-memorial-day-gives-way-to-israels-70th-independence-day-festivities/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/watch-drones-light-up-jerusalem-s-night-sky-for-independence-day-1.6012286

In pictures: Israel at 70 - seven major moments - BBC News

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-the-israelis-who-fought-in-the-war-of-independence-1.5980647

It's population has grown by more than 10 times its initial number and is expected to almost double from its present figure by its 100th!

As Israel celebrates 70th birthday, population grows to 8.842 million - Israel News - Jerusalem Post

Of course it wouldn't be Israel without a dust up or 2 -

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/17/world/middleeast/israel-independence-anniversary-.html
 


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It may seem a miracle that they survived but in 1948 it was much less lopsided than many think. The actual size of the Arab armies sent to Palestine was not large (in fact it may have been smaller than the Israeli one back then). Unlike 1967 and 1973, the USSR was supportive of Israel in 1948, wrongly believing that because many Jews were leftwing (how times have changed) they would support the USSR (mistaken assumption). France was also heavily arming Israel in 1948, and President Nixon bailed out Israel when it was on the brink of defeat in 1973 by resupplying its military.
 

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Of course unwavering American Backing has helped!
 

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And it will be still around for its 100th, unless of course we are all gone by then!
 

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Of course unwavering American Backing has helped!
In 1973 that is true. But in 2017 its no longer a question of survival - but rather the shoe is on the other foot and its Palestinian survival that is in question. The real threat to Israels survival is the Occupation and consequent demography turning the Jews into a minority between the Jordan River and the Meditteranean. The 1967 war was started by Israel following a blockade by Egypt of the Tiran strait, and as a surprise attack it was very impressive but its far from clear Egypt was planning to attack Israel first.
 

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And has lost 27,000 of it's citizen soldiers. However this pales when it is remembered that the death rate in Syria is more that twice that of all deaths in 100 years of Jewish - Arab conflict.
 

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In 1973 that is true. But in 2017 its no longer a question of survival - but rather the shoe is on the other foot and its Palestinian survival that is in question. The real threat to Israels survival is the Occupation and consequent demography turning the Jews into a minority between the Jordan River and the Meditteranean.
Can we also interpret it as the 70th anniversary of the Nakba? Officiially, Nakba Day is May 15, varying with the relevant calendar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day

Then again Aljazeera tells us-

ttps://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/05/nakba-start-1948-170522073908625.html
 
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The Brits bear much responsibility for the present human rights situation. They left in place instruments such as "administrative detention", which Israel uses to imprison children without trial and sometimes without charge.
 

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The Brits bear much responsibility for the present human rights situation. They left in place instruments such as "administrative detention", which Israel uses to imprison children without trial and sometimes without charge.
No. No they don't.
 

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Antisemitism though remains a scourge in this world.

As long as it is, all who are aware of it should continue to support the unbending, determined, fighting, Likud face of Zionism.

While hoping and praying for the end of Jewish persecution, that Zionism may return fully to it's softer, more brotherly face, of cultural Zionism and it's offshoots.

Always remember - https://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/historyjewishpersecution/

The dame endas and rasherhashes of this world will always have a "reason" to hate the Jews, or at least a large subsection of them, whether "Eastern European" or "Zionists" etc.

In modern times we have already seen these "reasons" based around the Jewish homeland change significantly, 1922-1948, 1948-1967, 1967-present. But always keep in mind and observe in parallel that the old "reasons" for hating Jews, those not based around their precious homeland, still thrive too. They never went completely away, and indeed have returned like a viral flare up, quite recently.

Keep up the good fight, Israel. Many thinking, decent people remain behind you. They understand why you have to fight for survival. We support you. Congratulations on 70 years. May you continue on for millennia.
 
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The Brits bear much responsibility for the present human rights situation. They left in place instruments such as "administrative detention", which Israel uses to imprison children without trial and sometimes without charge.
One particularly heinous aspect of this conflict is how Iran's Hamas and the PA try to evoke cries of "the Jews target and kill children", in the antisemitic mob, their stoking of the "blood libel" that they know animates this mob.

But step outside the mob, and try and appreciate the reality. E.g. When children are the target | Frimet Roth | The Blogs | The Times of Israel
 

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Hopefully the racisct apartheid state wont see 100 and the land will be returned to its native Palestinian population
 

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Hopefully the racisct apartheid state wont see 100 and the land will be returned to its native Palestinian population
Probably best have a Palestinian respond to that e.g. We Palestinians hold the key to a better future | The Blogs | The Times of Israel

"... Despite what we tell ourselves, Israel is here to stay. What’s more, it has a right to exist. It is the nation of the Jews but also a nation for Israeli Arabs who have better lives than Arabs anywhere in Arab countries. We must accept these facts and move on. The antisemitism promoted by Hamas, Fatah, and the BDS movement is not the answer for us Palestinians..."
 

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Like many 70 yr olds Israel is set in its ways and cranky and constantly look back rather than forward.
 

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Probably best have a Palestinian respond to that e.g. We Palestinians hold the key to a better future | The Blogs | The Times of Israel

"... Despite what we tell ourselves, Israel is here to stay. What’s more, it has a right to exist. It is the nation of the Jews but also a nation for Israeli Arabs who have better lives than Arabs anywhere in Arab countries. We must accept these facts and move on. The antisemitism promoted by Hamas, Fatah, and the BDS movement is not the answer for us Palestinians..."
And the apartheid , land theft , murders and brutal occupation of the Israeli state is .....priceless stupidity , as expected from zionist neo nazis
 

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And the apartheid , land theft , murders and brutal occupation of the Israeli state is .....priceless stupidity , as expected from zionist neo nazis
Would you ever get your fat ignorant head out of your horribly propagandised ass.
 

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Just as a matter for debate ....; Would it have been better for all concerned if they i.e. Israelies / Jews / Zionists had all moved to America after the second world War . Of course this possibility would have relied on America being willing to take them in .

I say this as someone who has no iron in this fire . I am not particularly worried by either side killing one another or both sides wiping one another out ( Killing fatigue from humans killing one another , all my life )
 


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