Israeli lebensraum and ethnic cleansing continues unabated


Telstar 62

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The great Martin Luther King speaks....


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Settler violence against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank is routine, with the UN reporting over 220 incidents of assault or damage to property in 2018.

Over 90 percent of complaints filed by Palestinians regarding settler violence are closed by Israeli authorities without an indictment.
 

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Settler violence against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank is routine, with the UN reporting over 220 incidents of assault or damage to property in 2018.

Over 90 percent of complaints filed by Palestinians regarding settler violence are closed by Israeli authorities without an indictment.

Pro-rata, thats tiny by Irish standards with about double the population of WB
It must be very peaceful over there

 

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Pro-rata,very peaceful living under israeli apartheid and occupation?
That's a good one from a zionist troll.....at least you have chosen your profile picture wisely....full of shite indeed.
 

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Zionism has a long history of collusion with anti-Semitic, white supremacist forces, and champions a form of global apartheid that racists such as American President Donald Trump and “alt-right” fascist Richard Spencer fully endorse.
Anti-Semites have been among the Zionist project’s staunchest supporters, including from its beginnings as a fringe, messianic movement that was shunned by most Jews.
Zionists have always had an interest in fomenting anti-Semitism worldwide, with the goal of driving Jewish immigration (preferably white) to Palestine/Israel as a means of battling the Palestinian “demographic threat”.

Israeli society’s inherent white supremacist nature has been extensively studied and detailed. It involves discrimination on multiple layers, including against indigenous Palestinians, as well as within Jewish Israeli society.

In fact, recent events only highlight the underlying motivation of Zionism from its early beginnings; i.e. settler colonialism that has formed a parasitic relationship with Judaism.

But such anti semitism and fascism is okay for the zionists....they spit out those facts instead of swallowing.
 

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Trump and Netanyahu are mirror images of each other in their corruption, extravagance and talent in manipulating the press.
But this is nothing new. Zionists and anti-Semites have historically shared mutual interests.
This is all okay with the racist zionists....it's just another example of how they spit instead of swallowing the facts.
While their hypocrisy is disgusting...it's also clearly laughable.
 

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Ethnic cleansing?
Genocide?
Yeah right...

Those figures look wrong, here is the official time series for the Palestinian Occupied Territories:

http://www.pcbs.gov.ps/Portals/_Rainbow/Documents/Eng%20time%20series%20p.htm


Year Number of Palestinians

1948 154,900
1961 180,100
1967 324,100
1972 388,800
1983 565,200
1985 619,000
1990 728,700
1995 821,200
1996 848,700
1997 875,600
1998 905,200
1999 935,600
2000 969,300
2001 971,170
2002 1,001,500
2003 1,031,000
2004 1,061,000
2005 1,090,900
2006 1,118,000
2007 1,146,000
2008 1,172,000
2009 1,229,936
2010 1,252,000
2011 1,280,900
2012 1,308,900
2013 1,335,600
2014 1,366,500
2015 1,383,900
 

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Those figures look wrong, here is the official time series for the Palestinian Occupied Territories:

http://www.pcbs.gov.ps/Portals/_Rainbow/Documents/Eng time series p.htm


Year Number of Palestinians

1948 154,900
1961 180,100
1967 324,100
1972 388,800
1983 565,200
1985 619,000
1990 728,700
1995 821,200
1996 848,700
1997 875,600
1998 905,200
1999 935,600
2000 969,300
2001 971,170
2002 1,001,500
2003 1,031,000
2004 1,061,000
2005 1,090,900
2006 1,118,000
2007 1,146,000
2008 1,172,000
2009 1,229,936
2010 1,252,000
2011 1,280,900
2012 1,308,900
2013 1,335,600
2014 1,366,500
2015 1,383,900

Does that look like ethnic cleansing or genocide?
 

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Does that look like ethnic cleansing or genocide?
The problem with that argument is that the population of Ireland was 8.5 million before the Famine, and we were undoubtedly oppressed. We had around 500,000 people left after the Cromwellian period in 1649-58. So the Irish population increased nearly 20 fold between 1650 and 1841. The idea that because of this, it means we werent being oppressed is ludicrous.

There was undoubtedly ethnic cleansing in Ulster during the 1600s, and sectarian violence in the 1700s also e.g. the riots between the Peep O'Day Boys and the Catholic Defenders in places like Armagh. There was the pitch-capping by British soldiers in 1798 by putting tar on peoples heads and setting it alight. That actually had the effect of starting a rebellion in Wexford. The difference with Israel is it pitchcaps Palestinians with missiles from F16s. As with Vietnam and 1798, indiscriminate violence against enemy civilians does not work.
 

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The population of Israel went from 2 million in 1960 to around 8.5 million in 2015, an increase of 6,500,000 persons compared with an increase in the Occupied Territories of 1,200,000 over the same period.

Take life expectancy into account and the comparison gets worse, take living standards into account and it deteriorates further.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL?locations=IL
 

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The problem with that argument is that the population of Ireland was 8.5 million before the Famine, and we were undoubtedly oppressed. We had around 500,000 people left after the Cromwellian period in 1649-58. So the Irish population increased nearly 20 fold between 1650 and 1841. The idea that because of this, it means we werent being oppressed is ludicrous.

There was undoubtedly ethnic cleansing in Ulster during the 1600s, and sectarian violence in the 1700s also e.g. the riots between the Peep O'Day Boys and the Catholic Defenders in places like Armagh. There was the pitch-capping by British soldiers in 1798 by putting tar on peoples heads and setting it alight. That actually had the effect of starting a rebellion in Wexford. The difference with Israel is it pitchcaps Palestinians with missiles from F16s. As with Vietnam and 1798, indiscriminate violence against enemy civilians does not work.

Nice bit of cherry picking up and down world history, but nothing to do with the disputed territories of Israel though
Arab population growth disproves the theory of genocide or ethnic cleansing. Or else the Israeli's aren't very good at it - which is unlikely because the Jews know a thing or two about genocide having experienced the Holocaust.
You can move the goalposts and argue there were oppressed - but thats another debate
In reality, they mostly oppressed themselves in their attempts to pass the blame onto Israel and seek international sympathy leading to money in their rulers Swiss bank accounts
 

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The population of Israel went from 2 million in 1960 to around 8.5 million in 2015, an increase of 6,500,000 persons compared with an increase in the Occupied Territories of 1,200,000 over the same period.

Take life expectancy into account and the comparison gets worse, take living standards into account and it deteriorates further.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL?locations=IL

Israel invested in its industry, its healthcare and its public services and ruled itself democratically
Arabs invested in weapons, tunnels and war and allowed itself to be ruled by despots who stole the wealth of the people
Thats how one population grows faster than another
 

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Nice bit of cherry picking up and down world history, but nothing to do with the disputed territories of Israel though
Arab population growth disproves the theory of genocide or ethnic cleansing. Or else the Israeli's aren't very good at it - which is unlikely because the Jews know a thing or two about genocide having experienced the Holocaust.
You can move the goalposts and argue there were oppressed - but thats another debate
In reality, they mostly oppressed themselves in their attempts to pass the blame onto Israel and seek international sympathy leading to money in their rulers Swiss bank accounts
Its unrealistic to expect people to just peacefully, happily lose their homes and personal property at the point of a gun. Anyone in the Palestinian situation would have fought back also.
 

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Its unrealistic to expect people to just peacefully, happily lose their homes and personal property at the point of a gun. Anyone in the Palestinian situation would have fought back also.
Maybe their fellow Arabs should not have invaded thus creating the refugee problem in the first place?
Or maybe the invaders themselves should sort the problem out?
 

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Maybe their fellow Arabs should not have invaded thus creating the refugee problem in the first place?
Or maybe the invaders themselves should sort the problem out?
With the exception of 1948, the Arabs were not the invader. In 1967 Israel was the invader. In 1973 the Arabs were not invaders because they were entering their own territory which had been occupied in 1967.
 
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