Israeli yet again makes the bigger sacrfice

The Earl of Desmond

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Yet again Israel has been the bigger country and made a far greater sacrifice for the sake of peace compared to anything the Palestinians/Hezbolloh have ever done.

Israel has had to watch as the man who personally murdered a 4 year old child walks free to a heros welcome in Lebanon without uttering a single word about wanting peace. Again, Israel has made the hard sacrifice and for nothing in return but still the propaganda machine of the Arab/Muslim terrorists will make out that Israel is in the wrong and the antiSemitics will be out in force to atack Israel. .

And yet the Arabs lack the basic humanity that should have seen a very low key return home. Instead the freed prisoners chose to change into military combat clothes. Where were their speeches saying the time of violence should be over and now is the time to live in peace.

How long before those who were freed today have reverted to violence and start murdering innocent Israeli civilians again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 510686.stm
 


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The Earl of Desmond said:
Again, Israel has made the hard sacrifice and for nothing in return
Did they not receive atleast the bodies of two Israel soldiers?

So basically you're lying.
 
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The Earl of Desmond said:
Yet again Israel has been the bigger country and made a far greater sacrifice for the sake of peace compared to anything the Palestinians/Hezbolloh have ever done.

Israel has had to watch as the man who personally murdered a 4 year old child walks free to a heros welcome in Lebanon without uttering a single word about wanting peace. Again, Israel has made the hard sacrifice and for nothing in return but still the propaganda machine of the Arab/Muslim terrorists will make out that Israel is in the wrong and the antiSemitics will be out in force to atack Israel. .

And yet the Arabs lack the basic humanity that should have seen a very low key return home. Instead the freed prisoners chose to change into military combat clothes. Where were their speeches saying the time of violence should be over and now is the time to live in peace.

How long before those who were freed today have reverted to violence and start murdering innocent Israeli civilians again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 510686.stm


Been to both Isreal and the ME, both shitholes felt less hostility in Israel.
 
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The Earl of Desmond said:
Yet again Israel has been the bigger country and made a far greater sacrifice for the sake of peace compared to anything the Palestinians/Hezbolloh have ever done.

Israel has had to watch as the man who personally murdered a 4 year old child walks free to a heros welcome in Lebanon without uttering a single word about wanting peace. Again, Israel has made the hard sacrifice and for nothing in return but still the propaganda machine of the Arab/Muslim terrorists will make out that Israel is in the wrong and the antiSemitics will be out in force to atack Israel. .

And yet the Arabs lack the basic humanity that should have seen a very low key return home. Instead the freed prisoners chose to change into military combat clothes. Where were their speeches saying the time of violence should be over and now is the time to live in peace.

How long before those who were freed today have reverted to violence and start murdering innocent Israeli civilians again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 510686.stm


Been to both Israel and the ME, both shitholes felt less hostility in Israel.
 
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The Earl of Desmond said:
Yet again Israel has been the bigger country and made a far greater sacrifice for the sake of peace compared to anything the Palestinians/Hezbolloh have ever done.

Israel has had to watch as the man who personally murdered a 4 year old child walks free to a heros welcome in Lebanon without uttering a single word about wanting peace. Again, Israel has made the hard sacrifice and for nothing in return but still the propaganda machine of the Arab/Muslim terrorists will make out that Israel is in the wrong and the antiSemitics will be out in force to atack Israel. .

And yet the Arabs lack the basic humanity that should have seen a very low key return home. Instead the freed prisoners chose to change into military combat clothes. Where were their speeches saying the time of violence should be over and now is the time to live in peace.

How long before those who were freed today have reverted to violence and start murdering innocent Israeli civilians again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 510686.stm


Been to both Israel and the ME, both shitholes felt less hostility in Israel.
 

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cHeal said:
The Earl of Desmond said:
Again, Israel has made the hard sacrifice and for nothing in return
Did they not receive atleast the bodies of two Israel soldiers?

So basically you're lying.
Israel did not know until recently that the soilders were dead, they do not know when they died or how.

Israel has the bodies of Arabs it killed and in each case their families are told they have died and more importantly the Red Cross is allowed to post mortem the bodies independently to prove how they died. So while Israel still has no idea if any of the Israelis being held are still even alive the Lebanese knows exactly what the condition of all its missing is because the Israelis are humane and decent.

So Israel got the bodies of two soilders in return for freeing ive people one of whom personally smashed in the skull of a 4 year old child with his own rifle while she was still alive and screaming having jsut seen her father shot in the back of the head and while separately her mother was hiding under the stairs and in the process of trying to keep her baby quite ended up smothering the baby.

So yeah I think the people of Israel have made a bigger sacrifice.

And what's the first thing these freed people do? Talk about peace and forgiveness?

No, they don military garb and go on a heros welcome march denoucing Israel and claiming how this is another Arab/Muslim/Terrorist victory over Israel.

The Arabs have a long way to go yet before giving a sign they are capable of even the most basic humanity.
 

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Todays event just re-emphasises the totality of the beating, physically and spiritually, that Hezbollah gave the Israelis last year in southern Lebanon. A bully will eventually meet its match and when they so they become a eunuch - witness the outcome today of the Israelis negoations with Hezbollah - they wimped out.
 

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The Earl of Desmond said:
cHeal said:
[quote="The Earl of Desmond":t7s1ryrr]Again, Israel has made the hard sacrifice and for nothing in return
Did they not receive atleast the bodies of two Israel soldiers?

So basically you're lying.
Israel did not know until recently that the soilders were dead, they do not know when they died or how.

Israel has the bodies of Arabs it killed and in each case their families are told they have died and more importantly the Red Cross is allowed to post mortem the bodies independently to prove how they died. So while Israel still has no idea if any of the Israelis being held are still even alive the Lebanese knows exactly what the condition of all its missing is because the Israelis are humane and decent.

So Israel got the bodies of two soilders in return for freeing ive people one of whom personally smashed in the skull of a 4 year old child with his own rifle while she was still alive and screaming having jsut seen her father shot in the back of the head and while separately her mother was hiding under the stairs and in the process of trying to keep her baby quite ended up smothering the baby.

So yeah I think the people of Israel have made a bigger sacrifice.

And what's the first thing these freed people do? Talk about peace and forgiveness?

No, they don military garb and go on a heros welcome march denoucing Israel and claiming how this is another Arab/Muslim/Terrorist victory over Israel.

The Arabs have a long way to go yet before giving a sign they are capable of even the most basic humanity.[/quote:t7s1ryrr]

I don't doubt that Isreal made the bigger sacrifice, but this was not a gift. You lied in your post. People like you are part of the problem. Stop the propaganda.
 

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The deal was made when ISrael thought the soldiers were alive - that was the whole point - it was only after that Israel was told they were dead because the Arabs lack the basic humanity to even inform Israel that its has killed soliders so that those soldiers familes can prepare.

So Israel made the sacrifice os freeing a disgusting vile child killer in return for the lives of its two soilders on the basis that as Israeli soliders face the ultimate sacrifice defending Israel it was worth it as given what soldiers do for Israel it was worth the sacrifice to show how much Israel values its soliders.

Only now we don't know if the soliders were killed recently, died when they were captured, were tortured or if their bodies were violated after they died.

The wife of the man Qanter murdered and the mother of the child he killed won't see her family come home and has to watch a man who killed in such a horrific way be treated like Nelson Mandela.

Are you actually trying to argue that is right? Are you seriously going to defend what he did?

Even SF/IRA had to admit to peace with the UK and to shake the Dr's hand before getting some acceptance and they did jsut as many evil things as the Arabs continue to do..
 

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Can't understand the Israelis on this one - if the guys were alive a whole different ball game but two corpses for this? :shock:

Hizbollah is so well armed now it would take a major War to cut them down to size...
 

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And if the two dead Zionist terrorists from the child murdering gang of racist thugs known as the IDF had come home alive they'd now be being greeted as heroes. Bad luck, Nazi fans, get over it.
 

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Nope I'm just pointing out the blatant fallacy in your original post.
So effectively you are justifying the reaction of the Arabs and if you make a deal on the basis of getting two alive people and end up with two dead people then that is nothing. Dead bodies are not comparable to live ones.

Anyhow the fact of the matter is Israel has yet again made a painful sacrifice and the Arabs have thrown it back in their face so Israel is no nearer peace.

Effectively it got nothing in return for the sacrifice. Ergo the point I made.
 

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Nothing in return! In that case they might wish to ask to return to Lebanon to take back the thousands upon thousands of anti-personnel mines they dropped on the country during the period of grace Bush and Blair alllowed them to wreak havoc when the rest of the world called for a ceasefire. The scale of this terrorist onslaught demonstrated by the fact that civilians continue to die in Lebanon from unexploded mines which literally carpet the south. Might be a bit embarrassing for them as they will have to pass the graves of hundreds of civilians including children who had their heads bashed in by colleagues of those whose bodies were returned to Israel.
 

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Catalpa said:
Can't understand the Israelis on this one - if the guys were alive a whole different ball game but two corpses for this? :shock:

Hizbollah is so well armed now it would take a major War to cut them down to size...
Maybe they feel it will help their negotiations with Syria.
 

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Nothing in return! In that case they might wish to ask to return to Lebanon to take back the thousands upon thousands of anti-personnel mines they dropped on the country during the period of grace Bush and Blair alllowed them to wreak havoc when the rest of the world called for a ceasefire. The scale of this terrorist onslaught demonstrated by the fact that civilians continue to die in Lebanon from unexploded mines which literally carpet the south. Might be a bit embarrassing for them as they will have to pass the graves of hundreds of civilians including children who had their heads bashed in by colleagues of those whose bodies were returned to Israel.
Funny how even Amnesty Int has never provided any proof or even alledged that Israeli soliders have killed civilians. Civilians have been killed because they get caught up in the cross fire between the IDF and the Arabs which as unfortunate as that is is not remotely the same as your claim that the IFD deliberately targets civilians because that is not true as well you know.

Now I don't for a moment think a mere mortal like me can show you that the IDF reacts to the ARabs as opposed to your image of waking up each day and deciding who to kill.

However, if I recall it was the Arabs who dug a tunnel into an Israeli post and kidnapped soldiers which it then killed which started the 'war' in Lebanon so if the Arabs had not done that then the 'war' wouldn't have happened and if the Arabs are at 'war' then like in every war since time began civilians will get caught up in it - especially those who want to be caught up in it.

Given that the so called best minds in the world have not been able to solve the riddle of how exactly the IDF is to defend Israel from the non stop rocket attacks from the Arabs without defending Israel I doubt we can solve it here.

The humanitarian thing would have been for the freed Arabs to make a speech calling for peace and understanding and acknowledging that it won't be easy but that ultimately Arab and Jew have to find a way to live in peace. The Arabs were given a perfect chance to show to the world that Islam is not a vile and violent oppressive religion and they chose the violent option - yet again.
 

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The Earl of Desmond said:
cHeal said:
Nope I'm just pointing out the blatant fallacy in your original post.
So effectively you are justifying the reaction of the Arabs and if you make a deal on the basis of getting two alive people and end up with two dead people then that is nothing. Dead bodies are not comparable to live ones.

You're reading too much into it. I'm just trying to inform people reading the trhead, that their was actually a trade here. I am not contending on how fair it was and I've made no justification for the reaction of Arabs. STOP THE PROPAGANDA.
 

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I still do not think Israel got a fair deal from this swap.

I am sure having the bodies returned is a huge comfort to their families but there is not a beep from the Arabs that this sacrifice has brought anyone a step nearer peace.
 

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Kalif said:
Been to both Israel and the ME, both shitholes felt less hostility in Israel.
First off, scrub the duplicate posts will ya. The edit button works wonders if you use it.

I've been to both countries several times, Israel and Lebanon and got less hostility from the Lebanese. The Israeli's are so paranoid it's unbelievable. I've had guns pointed at me by IDF personell and Israeli police. Nothing like that occurred in Lebanon.
 


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