IT article on Temple Bar Attacks edited without explanation

Sean O'Brian

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This Irish Times article, Gardai investigate Temple Bar attacks, which appears on their web site has been altered without any explanation.

Here is what it said yesterday:

Gardai say they believe up to four men were involved in the incident. All four are black and are thought to be in their late teens to early 20s. One of these men was wearing a red jacket, while a second was described as wearing a waistcoat-type top over a white t-shirt.
Here is what it says today:

Gardaí say they believe up to four men were involved in the incident. All four are thought to be in their late teens to early 20s. One of these men was wearing a red jacket, while a second was described as wearing a waistcoat-type top over a white t-shirt.
Now it's possible the victims have changed their statements: they thought they saw four black men at first but now they're not sure, or something similarly implausible. However the article does not give not any explanation and you can't help but suspect that it was edited for PC considerations.

If true, this demonstrates what is so destructive about PC: it requires that the truth be obfuscated, making deception mandatory. Has catching the violent perpetrators of this crime taken a back seat to the new official ideology of Dublin City (as declared on Luas posters): non-discriminationism?
 


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Nope what has happened is better information has occured and as a result the story has been changed to show it.

I am aware of a story regarding a company appearing a major UK newspaper on a product which was false using measurements which were outside of the standard industry norms, even using a comparable story by same newspaper a week earlier showed how wrong it was.

Story was removed from their archives and deleted as if it never happened with a minor apology published with newspaper acknowledging it was incorrect.

It is no different from different editions getting updated with better information.
 

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Nope what has happened is better information has occured and as a result the story has been changed to show it.

I am aware of a story regarding a company appearing a major UK newspaper on a product which was false using measurements which were outside of the standard industry norms, even using a comparable story by same newspaper a week earlier showed how wrong it was.

Story was removed from their archives and deleted as if it never happened with a minor apology published with newspaper acknowledging it was incorrect.

It is no different from different editions getting updated with better information.
If you swallow that you'd swallow a brick!:rolleyes:
 

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Nope what has happened is better information has occured and as a result the story has been changed to show it.
Well it still seems odd to me. The victims/witnesses seem to have seen the "red jacket" and the "waistcoat-type top over a white t-shirt" clearly enough. So how did they manage to get so confused on the other details?

Story was removed from their archives and deleted as if it never happened with a minor apology published with newspaper acknowledging it was incorrect.
An explanation, IOW.
 

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Really good spot OP. It seems that the Irish Times puts Political Correctness ahead of assisting the Gardai in detecting crime. Clearly being able to state that the perpetrators were black severely limits the number of possible offenders making the Garda job that bit easier.
 

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Maybe IT will not be the paper of record on this. Similar to the Catholic Church and State Authorities turning a blind eye to what was really going on with those paedophiles. Bit like the three monkeys - hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Pravda PCness off the rails!
 

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You can bet you're bottom euro that if a group of whites attacked some blacks you wouldn't hear the end of it from the IT. How is that paper still in existence; I thought it was bankrupt?
 

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Really good spot OP. It seems that the Irish Times puts Political Correctness ahead of assisting the Gardai in detecting crime. Clearly being able to state that the perpetrators were black severely limits the number of possible offenders making the Garda job that bit easier.
I take it you think the IT article will be helping the cops because black people are easier to spot and somehow anyone but witnesses in the immediate vicinity will be able to help hunt down the attackers because they are black?
 

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I take it you think the IT article will be helping the cops because black people are easier to spot and somehow anyone but witnesses in the immediate vicinity will be able to help hunt down the attackers because they are black?

Why do you think police issue descriptions of suspects? :rolleyes:
 

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This Irish Times article, Gardai investigate Temple Bar attacks, which appears on their web site has been altered without any explanation.

Here is what it said yesterday:



Here is what it says today:



Now it's possible the victims have changed their statements: they thought they saw four black men at first but now they're not sure, or something similarly implausible. However the article does not give not any explanation and you can't help but suspect that it was edited for PC considerations.

If true, this demonstrates what is so destructive about PC: it requires that the truth be obfuscated, making deception mandatory. Has catching the violent perpetrators of this crime taken a back seat to the new official ideology of Dublin City (as declared on Luas posters): non-discriminationism?
I can help but suspect that. It helps that you suggested a good alternative hypothesis right before you dismissed it.
 

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I can help but suspect that. It helps that you suggested a good alternative hypothesis right before you dismissed it.
My alternative hypothesis, if true, would be very strange. The victims/witnesses believe that the perpetrators were a wearing a "red jacket" (sure it wasn't a green jacket?) and a "waistcoat-type top over a white t-shirt" so they must have gotten a good look at their attackers.

Why then did they believe at first that the four men who assaulted them were black, if the men were not black?

Perhaps the victims of the beating were racists and their racism is what caused them to think that their attackers were black. Sort of like institutional racism except that three people who have been beaten up on Eustace Street aren't technially speaking an institution.

However we simply don't know since the IT article offers no clarification. The syndicated article on ireland.com still identifies the attackers as black. If the witness statements have changed then the Gardai should contact ireland.com immediately and get them to alter their story.
 

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My alternative hypothesis, if true, would be very strange. The victims/witnesses believe that the perpetrators were a wearing a "red jacket" (sure it wasn't a green jacket?) and a "waistcoat-type top over a white t-shirt" so they must have gotten a good look at their attackers.

Why then did they believe at first that the four men who assaulted them were black, if the men were not black?

Perhaps the victims of the beating were racists and their racism is what caused them to think that their attackers were black. Sort of like institutional racism except that three people who have been beaten up on Eustace Street aren't technially speaking an institution.

However we simply don't know since the IT article offers no clarification. The syndicated article on ireland.com still identifies the attackers as black. If the witness statements have changed then the Gardai should contact ireland.com immediately and get them to alter their story.

I wonder if you told the Gardai you had seen four black men matching the description in the original report, would they tell you they were not the men they were looking for?
 

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Really good spot OP. It seems that the Irish Times puts Political Correctness ahead of assisting the Gardai in detecting crime. Clearly being able to state that the perpetrators were black severely limits the number of possible offenders making the Garda job that bit easier.
Bullsh1t! If the colour of a person's skin is only referred to when that person is black, then that's discrimination. Pure and simple. Nothing to do with "Political Correctness". Either it's always mentioned, in every single case - ie: "Gardai say they believe up to four men were involved in the incident. All four are white." - or it's not mentioned at all. Take your pick. You can't have it both ways.
 

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Bullsh1t! If the colour of a person's skin is only referred to when that person is black, then that's discrimination. Pure and simple. Nothing to do with "Political Correctness". Either it's always mentioned, in every single case - ie: "Gardai say they believe up to four men were involved in the incident. All four are white." - or it's not mentioned at all. Take your pick. You can't have it both ways.
In the US police routinely give the race of suspects e.g. "two Caucasian males" and so on. In Ireland, where up to very recently the population was virtually 100% Caucasian, this would have been ridiculous.

Gardai generally issued statements such as: "Gardai want to interview a man who were seen in the area at the time of the incident. He was described as mid twenties, slim build, 6 feet tall" etc.

There was no need to mention he was white, since everyone was white and this was understood. Similarly, I doubt if police descriptions of suspects in Nigeria mention the fact that the suspect is black.

If the suspect in Nigeria was white, of course the police would quite properly mention it. If suspects in Ireland are not white, the Gardai should mention it too.

If people are uncomfortable with this, the Gardai should describe the apparent race of all suspects they are seeking, even if this means the majority of descriptions start with: "white male..." etc.
 
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Now it's possible the victims have changed their statements: they thought they saw four black men at first but now they're not sure, or something similarly implausible. However the article does not give not any explanation and you can't help but suspect that it was edited for PC considerations.

If true, this demonstrates what is so destructive about PC: it requires that the truth be obfuscated, making deception mandatory. Has catching the violent perpetrators of this crime taken a back seat to the new official ideology of Dublin City (as declared on Luas posters): non-discriminationism?
They are probably following some equality or 'community cohesion' guidelines like those used in Sweden where they avoid reporting the ethnicity of the perpetrator.

Also, there is a tendency to avoid drawing attention to ethnicity unless it involves a white perpetrator and black victim. The alternative doesn't fit the liberal narrative.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1220695/Is-political-correctness-blame-lack-coverage-horrific-black-white-killings-Americas-Deep-South-Tennessee-Channon-Christian-Christopher-Newsom-carjack.html
 

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Presumably the gardai would have a description of the alleged attackers, the media reports adding a skin colour would only be of little benefit.

I saw this in Australia where the media reported a doctor charged with a murder and added "a muslim" after his non- christian sounding name, he was not a muslim, but it was in the build up to the gulf war in 2003 and the anti muslim media spin by the murdoch controlled press.

The only guys who ever attacked me were white heroin addicted irish scum, nothing serious- but you know the types, Dublin is full of them.
 

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They are probably following some equality or 'community cohesion' guidelines like those used in Sweden where they avoid reporting the ethnicity of the perpetrator.

You couldn't make it up. You could write a comedy sketch on it.

"Detective Swenson, I'm assigning you to this rape investigation."

Swenson: "Any description of the suspect chief?"

"Yes, Swenson, but I can't tell you for political reasons."
 

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Presumably the gardai would have a description of the alleged attackers, the media reports adding a skin colour would only be of little benefit.
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The only guys who ever attacked me were white heroin addicted irish scum, nothing serious- but you know the types, Dublin is full of them.
If Dublin is full of white heroin addicted types who assault people, and the perpetrators are black, wouldn't that be quite vital information for identifying the attackers? Similarly, knowing you are looking for male suspects, rather than female is quite useful information.
 


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