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Italy's fertility day promotion , a fascist policy?

silverharp

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adverts suggesting that fertility isnt permanent is getting some people's knickers in a twist. allegedly sexist and harking back to 1930's fascism. The latter doesnt really stand up as fascists wanted future soldiers, however wanting people around to keep the lights on doesnt sound malevolent? is it a good if minor policy ? clearly a conversation needs to be had as something will need to adjust as a smaller number of people cant be asked to divert their incomes to keep old vast numbers of old people in the style to which they have been accustomed, personally I'd prefer the Japanese approach of just rolling with it , plan for it and focus on automating their economy. secondly the government(s) should look at their own policies to see if they are hindering people starting families be it high taxes or cost of living which effect the young or high migration which suppresses the wages of younger people
As for the "sexism" angle, not convinced, men get the vast majority of social criticism not "manning up" and what not so dont see the issue as the advert isnt trying to get more women to be mothers so cant be seen as shaming women who dont



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/05/italys-fertility-day-posters-sexist-echoes-of-fascist-past


Italy woke up last week to a series of offensive images that could have been published in the 1930s, including the slogan “Beauty knows no age. Fertility does.” They were sexist, ageist – and promoted by the government and health minister Beatrice Lorenzin to publicise 22 September, which it has designated Fertility Day. On this day, people will be able to “get more information” on how to procreate and be happier, which, as the bestselling author Roberto Saviano puts it, offends “all the people who don’t have children and those who would like to have some but can’t because there is no work in Italy”.

According to the official website: “The first Fertility Day will b




 


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adverts suggesting that fertility isnt permanent is getting some people's knickers in a twist. allegedly sexist and harking back to 1930's fascism. The latter doesnt really stand up as fascists wanted future soldiers, however wanting people around to keep the lights on doesnt sound malevolent? is it a good if minor policy ? clearly a conversation needs to be had as something will need to adjust as a smaller number of people cant be asked to divert their incomes to keep old vast numbers of old people in the style to which they have been accustomed, personally I'd prefer the Japanese approach of just rolling with it , plan for it and focus on automating their economy. secondly the government(s) should look at their own policies to see if they are hindering people starting families be it high taxes or cost of living which effect the young or high migration which suppresses the wages of younger people
As for the "sexism" angle, not convinced, men get the vast majority of social criticism not "manning up" and what not so dont see the issue as the advert isnt trying to get more women to be mothers so cant be seen as shaming women who dont



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/05/italys-fertility-day-posters-sexist-echoes-of-fascist-past









The comments under the Guardian piece widely lampooned the piece. Another Guardianista getting on her high horse about nothing.
 

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The question should be whether something is good or bad and not whether it is Fascist or not. I would see this as something good.
 

stopdoingstuff

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It's a great idea. Men and women are not reproducing and are therefore by and large useless consumers who give nothing back, while expecting the much depleted next generation to nurse them in their dotage. It is way better, for example, than the elite policy of importing unskilled middle eastern goat herders and fruit sellers in the hope of maintaining high living standards.
 

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Fascism is the merger of state and corporate power
Benito Mussolini, founder of fascism.

There is more fascism in the Clinton Foundation than in the Italians trying to address their birth rate problems.
 

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The comments under the Guardian piece widely lampooned the piece. Another Guardianista getting on her high horse about nothing.
I looked at a few comments and there seemed to be both but I'd imagine once they got going she got a hammering
 

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I don't see it as fascist. A lot of women don't really think about fertility and many don't know that they become less fertile. Fascism would be to try for pressurise women to become pregnant, but giving women accurate information on their fertility can't seriously be considered fascist.
 
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If Italians need an assistance then have Passport will travel...................... just make sure I get no fat ugly ones, they would probably be Lesbian anyway.
 

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People would probably be far more interested in the production line of the vaginas of the nation if they weren't so busy paying off the c*nts of Goldman Sachs.
 

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A tiny step in the right direction, but what's needed is the transfer of wealth from the old to the young so the young can set up home and rear healthy children.
 

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Nothing inaccurate with that. Women have a very short fertility window and sadly a lot of women spend that time climbing the career ladder. By the time they are ready to start a family, it's too late.

Female fertility drops off a cliff after the age of 35.
 

stopdoingstuff

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Nothing inaccurate with that. Women have a very short fertility window and sadly a lot of women spend that time climbing the career ladder. By the time they are ready to start a family, it's too late.

Female fertility drops off a cliff after the age of 35.
Yeah realistically a woman should be after getting married and queefing out her kids by her mid to late 20s.
 

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This us literally just a public health awareness scheme, no different to making people aware of the dangers of cancer or smoking or poor diet, or imploring people to look after their mental and sexual health.

What's the problem, exactly?
 

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This us literally just a public health awareness scheme, no different to making people aware of the dangers of cancer or smoking or poor diet, or imploring people to look after their mental and sexual health.

What's the problem, exactly?
It is pointing out to lleft wing feminists that women are the ones who have kids and they need to be having them.
 

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The comments under the Guardian piece widely lampooned the piece. Another Guardianista getting on her high horse about nothing.
I agree. The italians have (A) a different culture to the Guardianistas and (B) a huge demographic problem, one that dwarfs the difficulties even in northern European countries.
 

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There's nothing the ' _____ is just a social construction' brigade hate more then being contradicted by the bald facts of biology.
 

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