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It's a rip-off as many prices keep on soaring


Aindriu

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CONSUMERS are still being ripped off by inexplicably high prices for a range of basic goods and services.
They are being fleeced on the cost of vital public services like transport and health at the time they can least afford them.
Overall, prices in Ireland are falling faster than anywhere else in Europe, with the cost of living falling by 5.4pc in the last year, the sharpest drop since 1933.
But the latest figures from the Central Statistics Office (CSO) are a tale of two sectors -- most private sector prices are dropping, whereas many of those under government control are continuing to soar.

Full story here.

When will these gombeens be forced out of office??? :mad:
 

sauntersplash

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Would that not be a good thing? This means less tax revenue is going to support them. And if people have more money from private sector reductions, why not? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 

bobbysands81

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CONSUMERS are still being ripped off by inexplicably high prices for a range of basic goods and services.
They are being fleeced on the cost of vital public services like transport and health at the time they can least afford them.
Overall, prices in Ireland are falling faster than anywhere else in Europe, with the cost of living falling by 5.4pc in the last year, the sharpest drop since 1933.
But the latest figures from the Central Statistics Office (CSO) are a tale of two sectors -- most private sector prices are dropping, whereas many of those under government control are continuing to soar.

Full story here.

When will these gombeens be forced out of office??? :mad:
My God, how dumb a post is this.

Why do you think the cost of Govt services are rising? Less tax take means less money to subsidise already massively subsidised services.
 

Aindriu

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You don't bring a country out of recession by increasing taxes and public transport prices etc etc! :rolleyes:
 

sauntersplash

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You don't bring a country out of recession by increasing taxes and public transport prices etc etc! :rolleyes:
No but I think you can use these measures to prevent it turning into a postindustrial wasteland where Tina Turner calls the shots.
 

uriah

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CONSUMERS are still being ripped off by inexplicably high prices for a range of basic goods and services.
They are being fleeced on the cost of vital public services like transport and health at the time they can least afford them.
Overall, prices in Ireland are falling faster than anywhere else in Europe, with the cost of living falling by 5.4pc in the last year, the sharpest drop since 1933.
But the latest figures from the Central Statistics Office (CSO) are a tale of two sectors -- most private sector prices are dropping, whereas many of those under government control are continuing to soar.

Full story here.

When will these gombeens be forced out of office??? :mad:

VHI cost increased considerably this year, medical consultant fee increased (in my experience), hospital charges increased, GP and dental charges certainly not reduced, cost of medicines increased.
All this at a time when incomes are reduced.
 

sauntersplash

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Apologies, I was referring to Mad Max 3 Beyond Thunderdome.



The film depicts a fairly unpleasant, violent, anarchic, desert community presided over by Tina Turner, which our little Republic is presently in great danger of coming to resemble.

Just tryin' ta lighten the mood baby...
 

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Price for public services rise because they are largely monopolies. Bus & train services get 5% increase every january without fail. Taxi metered fares are of course maximum charges so individual taxi drivers can reduce that if they want.

The government can't lecture commercial businesses about noit reducing their prices while at the same increasing their prices.
 

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VHI cost increased considerably this year, medical consultant fee increased (in my experience), hospital charges increased, GP and dental charges certainly not reduced, cost of medicines increased.
All this at a time when incomes are reduced.
How often do people under 60 go to the doctor? people always moan about this stuff but I haven't seen a doctor since I was a baby.

Dental check up is free twice a year with PRSI

I have never paid a penny for any of this stuff and I'd expect most people are the same.
 

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How often do people under 60 go to the doctor? people always moan about this stuff but I haven't seen a doctor since I was a baby.

Dental check up is free twice a year with PRSI

I have never paid a penny for any of this stuff and I'd expect most people are the same.
GP visits and income: GP visits and income In Ireland, visiting rates are about twice as high towards the bottom compared with the top, whereas in most of the other countries that ratio is rather lower, at approximately 1.5. Where Ireland also stands out, though, is in the very sharp fall in the visiting rate as one goes from the second to the third decile – when the average number of visits drops from 6.6 to 3.6. No other country sees such a sharp decline. The obvious question to ask is whether this could reflect the impact of medical card entitlement on the cost of a GP visit to patients. In fact the key difference in terms of GP visiting rates in Ireland is simply between those with and without medical cards.
Healing the rich at the expense of the poor: Healing the rich at the expense of the poor What is distinctive about the Irish case is that the public hospital system has come to be seen very widely as a two-tier one, offering the better-off more rapid access. They are in effect subsidised by the taxpayer Subsidisation comes through tax breaks on insurance premia and below-cost charges for private care in public hospitals (Nolan and Wiley 2001). Even if private care in public hospitals covered its full cost or even generated a surplus to cross-subsidise care of public patients, an equity concern would arise about two-speed access to those hospitals. The main argument advanced for retention of private care in public hospitals is that this allows the most able medical specialists to be available to care for public patients. There has been no attempt to assess the scale of the purported benefits to the public system, nor whether the benefits of close interaction with private care are outweighed by the costs.
Health care In Ireland
Social inequalities in Irish health: Social inequalities in Irish health ‘Irish people die younger because they tolerate an inequality between them that breeds ill-health, and they accept a health care system and a view of health care which implicitly places lesser value on the lives of those with lesser means.’ Wren (2003) An Unhealthy State
 

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How often do people under 60 go to the doctor? people always moan about this stuff but I haven't seen a doctor since I was a baby.

Dental check up is free twice a year with PRSI

I have never paid a penny for any of this stuff and I'd expect most people are the same.
You are indeed lucky to be so healthy. I sincerely hope that it continues.
But not everybody is so lucky, and anybody can experience sudden health problems.

Visit any out-patients dept and you will find that the majority of patients are nowhere near sixty. Visit any doctors surgery and you will find plenty of children and pregnant women. Have you listened to the recent discussion on the problems in Crumlin Children's Hospital?


Not everybody has free dental/optical cover through PRSI. Most people I know pay for private health insurance.
 

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My God, how dumb a post is this.

Why do you think the cost of Govt services are rising? Less tax take means less money to subsidise already massively subsidised services.
No the problem is the economy is shrinking but the public service (cost) is expanding.

Most people don't notice the government borrowing as much as it earns in tax because it's invisible to them. They do notice the cost when they actually try to use the service - their health insurance and transport costs going up while their own pay goes down.
 

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You are indeed lucky to be so healthy. I sincerely hope that it continues.
But not everybody is so lucky, and anybody can experience sudden health problems.

Visit any out-patients dept and you will find that the majority of patients are nowhere near sixty. Visit any doctors surgery and you will find plenty of children and pregnant women. Have you listened to the recent discussion on the problems in Crumlin Children's Hospital?


Not everybody has free dental/optical cover through PRSI. Most people I know pay for private health insurance.
No doubt some people do fall ill and I have been lucky but they talk about it like it is an everyday cost like the bus but most people don't go to the doctor.

There should be a small charge though - many old people go just for somebody to talk to and waste the doctors time, if they were asked to pay a fiver they wouldn't bother.
 

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How often do people under 60 go to the doctor? people always moan about this stuff but I haven't seen a doctor since I was a baby.

Dental check up is free twice a year with PRSI

I have never paid a penny for any of this stuff and I'd expect most people are the same.
Yes, that's why doctors are a very poor bunch of people. Get real mate. Just coz you dont go to the doctor does not mean many others have to. I haven't gone to a GP personally for a long time, but my kids cost me a fortune in medical bills each year and they are not a particlarly unhealthy bunch of kids. I'd actually think they are more healthy than the norm as they get good exercise and have a very healthy diet.
 

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Yes, that's why doctors are a very poor bunch of people. Get real mate. Just coz you dont go to the doctor does not mean many others have to. I haven't gone to a GP personally for a long time, but my kids cost me a fortune in medical bills each year and they are not a particlarly unhealthy bunch of kids. I'd actually think they are more healthy than the norm as they get good exercise and have a very healthy diet.
Good that you give them a healthy diet - I imagine the fatties need to go to the doctor more often than healthy children which is a disgrace.
 

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You don't bring a country out of recession by increasing taxes and public transport prices etc etc! :rolleyes:
So are you advocating reducing taxes ergo the Govt has to borrow more? How then will they pay for this borrowing?
 

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No the problem is the economy is shrinking but the public service (cost) is expanding.

Most people don't notice the government borrowing as much as it earns in tax because it's invisible to them. They do notice the cost when they actually try to use the service - their health insurance and transport costs going up while their own pay goes down.
The Govt is getting less money therefore it has less money to spend - are you advocating increasing taxes and charges so that we don't have to borrow more?

Once again... the most expensive thing the public sector does is hire the private sector to do work on its behalf.
 

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The Govt is getting less money therefore it has less money to spend - are you advocating increasing taxes and charges so that we don't have to borrow more?
I'm advocating spending less. A lot less.

Once again... the most expensive thing the public sector does is hire the private sector to do work on its behalf.
Really? The most expensive thing? Can you quote figures to support this?
 

Aindriu

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How often do people under 60 go to the doctor? people always moan about this stuff but I haven't seen a doctor since I was a baby.

Dental check up is free twice a year with PRSI

I have never paid a penny for any of this stuff and I'd expect most people are the same.
Obviously you are fortunate enough to be very healthy. Some of us are not. I have to see a doctor every three months and am on 2 lots of medication daily. Many more are like me or worse.
 
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