It's all the EU's fault.

Just Jack

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Does Europe even need this vile Institution anymore?
 


Squire Allworthy

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It is not the fault of the EU

The blame is a lot closer to home. Try blaming the party that has been in government for the last decade.

So stay focussed and make very sure that they take full reward for the mess they have created.
 
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It is not the fault of the EU

The blame is a lot closer to home. Try blaming the party that has been in government for the last decade.

So stay focussed and make very sure that they take full reward for the mess they have created.
+1
 

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It is not the fault of the EU

The blame is a lot closer to home. Try blaming the party that has been in government for the last decade.

So stay focussed and make very sure that they take full reward for the mess they have created.
How is it not the fault of europe . Ill admit ff and our banks have a lot of blame but europe must take its portion of it as well .
 

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sure lets just blame capitalism?

it's capitalisms fault.

capitalism requires a poor guy so the guy with the capital can "be" rich.

and we're the new poor guys.
 

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Another Europhobe loses the plot.

NEWSFLASH - this catastrophic crisis is home-grown. It's Fianna Fail and their golden circle of bankers and developers that are responsible, not the people who are currently picking up our growing bills.
 

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The Irish goverment systematically abused their Eurozone membership to funnel cheap credit into Ireland and then setup a tax system that encouraged citizens to speculate on property, transferring this cheap credit into the pockets of the nation's elite via the people. ECB director Wim Duisenberg warned McCreevey 10 years ago that he was creating a bubble but nobody listened.

That is not the fault of Europe. I'm upset that Europe is now screwing us to save their own banks who gambled and lost at Casino Ireland, but we created our own mess, not them.
 

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It works both ways, we have been irresponsible hugely and incompeteNt, but that is what you get with FF.

Now Peter Mathews has just said we need to tell Ollie Rehn, the last time we were forced into a decision was NAMA, and that was a mistake, he believes we need to tell europe, that Ireland needs three weeks to sort out our house-keeping, replace our team, and then we will get back to you.

THIS PART SHOULD BE ON ANOTHER THREAD,BUT WE HAVE TO MACRH ON MASS AND GET THIS GOVERMENT OUT, THE ECONOMISTS ARE TELLING US THAT FF ARE INCOMPETENT, IT IS OUR DUTY THIS WKEND TO REPLACE OUR TEAM AND GIVE US MORE SPACE AND TIME FROM EUROPE UNTIL WE ARE READY.

MARCH,MARCH,MARCH ON MASS THIS WKEND.
 

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Another Europhobe loses the plot.

NEWSFLASH - this catastrophic crisis is home-grown. It's Fianna Fail and their golden circle of bankers and developers that are responsible, not the people who are currently picking up our growing bills.
They are not OUR bills . They are the banks bills which a courrupt ff are trying to tie around the taxpayers neck with europe holding us down .

And if this crisis is home grown and soley the fault of Fiana fail , The golden circle of bankers and developers (although they are to blame for the most part) how come portugal spain greece are in the same boat ????????

what do they all have in common ????
 

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Portugal and Spain pursued the same farcical building boom was we did. Look at a road map of Madrid on Google Maps. They have something like four ring roads.
 

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They are not OUR bills . They are the banks bills which a courrupt ff are trying to tie around the taxpayers neck with europe holding us down .

And if this crisis is home grown and soley the fault of Fiana fail , The golden circle of bankers and developers (although they are to blame for the most part) how come portugal spain greece are in the same boat ????????

what do they all have in common ????
How come Iceland, Serbia and Croatia have severe austerity measures to face despite being non-EU?
 

Just Jack

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Another Europhobe loses the plot.

NEWSFLASH - this catastrophic crisis is home-grown. It's Fianna Fail and their golden circle of bankers and developers that are responsible, not the people who are currently picking up our growing bills.
We’re on the verge of a European meltdown and massive civil unrest.

Ireland is merely a small microcosm of the bigger picture. By next year, several other European countries will have gone bust… the EU cannot afford to bail out all of them.

I suspect the possibility of another war is simmering on the foreseeable horizon.

There is going to be untold death and suffering. I’m certain of it.
 

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How come Iceland, Serbia and Croatia have severe austerity measures to face despite being non-EU?
Just like the Third Policeman and his bicycle it has all to do with Omnium .

You see : Serbia and Croatia are geographically contiguous to the affected area , and Iceland is an island and need only one letter changed to make it conform to the name of a European country within the Eurozone. It's very scientific.
 

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How come Iceland, Serbia and Croatia have severe austerity measures to face despite being non-EU?
And the UK! Everyone overspent and borrowed too much. The difference is that those in the Eurozone are screwed because Germany is doing very well and teh Euro is run for the German economy whereas those out of the Eurozone can print away and devalue. Some looney leftie on here this morning was trying to argue that the Euro fits all and that I was some kind of Europhobe. The Left always resort to name calling when in the wrong. Well, the Euro does not fit all and therefore Ireland, Spain and Portugal will be made to suffer for being a member of the Euro club.
That said, it was not the Euro per se that caused Irelands demise, it was weak Government and personal greed. The Euro just facilitated this by introducing interest rates that were too low for the Irish economy.
 

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If anybody is still unclear as to what role the ECB is playing in the contrived takeover of our Nation then they only need look at this interview from the other day with Jean-Claude Trichet, President of the ECB:
"Governance today is still founded on the notion of sovereign states in a “Westphalian” world, which does not correspond to the new governance needs of an integrated global economy. The big challenge right now is to speed up the move to a system of global governance that fits the new world that we have created over time "
ECB: Interview with Le Progrès

This is what is known as - 'Ordo Ab Chao'
 

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And the UK! Everyone overspent and borrowed too much. The difference is that those in the Eurozone are screwed because Germany is doing very well and teh Euro is run for the German economy whereas those out of the Eurozone can print away and devalue. Some looney leftie on here this morning was trying to argue that the Euro fits all and that I was some kind of Europhobe. The Left always resort to name calling when in the wrong. Well, the Euro does not fit all and therefore Ireland, Spain and Portugal will be made to suffer for being a member of the Euro club.
That said, it was not the Euro per se that caused Irelands demise, it was weak Government and personal greed. The Euro just facilitated this by introducing interest rates that were too low for the Irish economy.
Thank you for this :)
Thats my point put rather better than what i said petunia
 

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Just like the Third Policeman and his bicycle it has all to do with Omnium .

You see : Serbia and Croatia are geographically contiguous to the affected area , and Iceland is an island and need only one letter changed to make it conform to the name of a European country within the Eurozone. It's very scientific.
Interestingly enough two Eurozone countries are very similar in their native names Slovensko (Slovakia) and Slovenija (Slovenia).
 


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