"It's not all bad news". What next for US Democrats?

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The 2016 elections were a complete disaster for the US Democratic party: Lost the Presidency, did not-regain the Senate, did not regain the House of Representatives. Lost a possible liberal majority on the Supreme Court, with many of President Obama's signature programmes like Healthcare and addressing Climate Change now set for repeal. New tax-cuts for the wealthy will be enacted, banks will be deregulated, with significant defunding for Welfare and Medicare. Gay marriage may be declared unconstitutional, new Jim Crow laws approved and abortion made illegal. Republicans have an unprecedented opportunity to remake the US as a deeply conservative, rigid society, run primarily in the interests of the top 1%.

At the state level, the Democrats have been failing for a while, with Republicans holding up to 30 Governor-ships and state assemblies, able to draw Congressional boundaries to suit their party (Fact - the Democrats used to do it too!).

Are there bright spots for the Democrats? The wheel of American Democracy always turns, with the "out" party re-organising itself to get back "in". Are there signs of where this might come from?

  • Democrats won the popular Presidential vote. Republicans have now failed to win the popular vote in 6 out of the last 7 elections.
  • The US is a country with a (maybe slim) liberal majority, led by a right-wing populist with a conservative legislative majority not fully at ease with his populism. The contradictions are obvious, and can be exploited.
  • The younger generation are more liberal than their elders, and more Democrat, in general.
  • Democrats took gains in both the Senate and the House of Representatives. Republican majorities in both Houses are thinner than they were.
  • Donald Trump is the most unpopular President in history with a lot of ground to make up.
  • Republicans now own the country's problems 100%, from Affordable Healthcare to ISIS. Discontent will not pass overnight, and the 2018 midterms, just two years away, will be a good place to begin the fight-back. Republican majorities are not unassailable.

Some bright spots at local level ( Media ignored significant Democrat & Liberal wins ):

  • Democrat Roy Cooper beat Republican Governor Pat McCrory in the state of North Carolina, a defeat for the State's bigoted "bathroom" laws and minority voter suppression. [Edit: Recount in progress]
  • Democratic House Rep Joshua Gottheimer beat incumbent anti-gay Republican Scott Garrett (NJ).
  • Incumbent Republican Rep John Micah lost his seat to Vietnamese-American Democrat Stephanie Murphy (Fl).
  • Democrat (Former Republican Governor) Charlie Crist beat incumbent Republican Rep David Jolly (Fl).
  • Democrat Paul Penzone beat Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio ("America's Sheriff", loud and racist Trump supporter) in Arizona.
  • Democrats added four women to the Senate, Tammy Duckworth (D-IL), Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV), Kamala Harris (D-CA), and Maggie Hassan (D-NH). There are 21 female Senators, a record number, fifteen Democrats.
  • All 25 seats in the Hawaii Senate are Democratic.
  • Voters in California, Nevada, New Mexico, and Maine legalized recreational marijuana.
  • Gun safety laws passed in Washington, California, and Nevada.
  • Minimum wage increases passed in Washington, Arizona, Maine, and Colorado.

The West and South-West are bright spots for Democrats, as well as the North East. Nevada Democrats won the presidential race, held the Senate seat vacated by retiring Senator Reid, and picked up two house seats making 3 of the 4 House seats blue. But they also won both houses of the State Legislature. Democrats also dominate in California, the largest and most prosperous state in the Union, which under Democrats (and RINO Arnold Schwartzenegger) enacted the country's most advanced legislation to combat climate change. In Washington state, a carbon tax failed to be approved as a ballot measure, tragically because environmental groups could not agree if it was the most effective means to limit emissions.

Contrast the dynamism of Democrat-run and ethnically diverse California with the Rust Belts states of Michigan and Wisconsin, which are Republican-run. The West-South-West could be America's future.

The angry demonstrations in American cities like Los Angeles, Chicago and New York will die out ( Thousands take to the streets to protest Trump win - CNNPolitics.com ) but they are a problem for Trump to prove he is everyone's President, and an opportunity for Democrats to channel that rage into a productive goal of winning back the House and Senate in 2018, or at least forcing Republicans onto the defensive. It was Tea Party rage in 2008, well-funded by Republican donors, that fuelled the House Republican landslide of 2010.

"Buyer's Regret" is a real phenomenon, and disillusion sets in early if the economy stays stagnant, as the Democrat's found in 2010.

  • Yes, 2016 was a Democrat disaster.
  • Yes, the road back will be long and difficult.
  • But there is no need to totally adopt the prevailing false "unrelenting gloom" narrative
  • There is plenty of scope for Democrats to be a patriotic, loyal and effective opposition.
  • Many, including committed Republicans, are deeply uneasy with Trump's right-wing populism
  • The goal of making him a one-term President is not impossible.
  • Nor is the goal of Democrat House and Senate majorities, even in the long term.

Tough reality check for Trump's pledge of better heartland jobs, wages | Reuters
 
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The 2016 elections were a complete disaster for the US Democratic party: Lost the Presidency, did not-regain the Senate, did not regain the House of Representatives. Lost a possible liberal majority on the Supreme Court, with many of President Obama's signature programmes like Healthcare and addressing Climate Change now set for repeal. New tax-cuts for the wealthy will be enacted, banks will be deregulated, with significant defunding for Welfare and Medicare. Gay marriage may be declared unconstitutional, new Jim Crow laws approved and abortion made illegal. Republicans have an unprecedented opportunity to remake the US as a deeply conservative, rigid society, run primarily in the interests of the top 1%.

At the state level, the Democrats have been failing for a while, with Republicans holding up to 30 Governor-ships and state assemblies, able to draw Congressional boundaries to suit their party (Fact - the Democrats used to do it too!).

Are there bright spots for the Democrats? The wheel of American Democracy always turns, with the "out" party re-organising itself to get back "in". Are there signs of where this might come from?

  • Democrats won the popular Presidential vote. Republicans have now failed to win the popular vote in 6 out of the last 7 elections.
  • The US is a country with a (maybe slim) liberal majority, led by a right-wing populist with a conservative legislative majority not fully at ease with his populism. The contradictions are obvious, and can be exploited.
  • The younger generation are more liberal than their elders, and more Democrat, in general.
  • Democrats took gains in both the Senate and the House of Representatives. Republican majorities in both Houses are thinner than they were.
  • Republicans now own the country's problems 100%, from Affordable Healthcare to ISIS. Discontent will not pass overnight, and the 2018 midterms, just two years away, will be a good place to begin the fight-back. Republican majorities are not unassailable.

Some bright spots at local level ( Media ignored significant Democrat & Liberal wins ):

  • Democrat Roy Cooper beat Republican Governor Pat McCrory in the state of North Carolina, a defeat for the State's bigoted "bathroom" laws and minority voter suppression.
  • Democratic House Rep Joshua Gottheimer beat incumbent anti-gay Republican Scott Garrett (NJ).
  • Incumbent Republican Rep John Micah lost his seat to Vietnamese-American Democrat Stephanie Murphy (Fl).
  • Democrat (Former Republican Governor) Charlie Crist beat incumbent Republican Rep David Jolly (Fl).
  • Democrat Paul Penzone beat Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio ("America's Sheriff", loud and racist Trump supporter) in Arizona.
  • Democrats added four women to the Senate, Tammy Duckworth (D-IL), Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV), Kamala Harris (D-CA), and Maggie Hassan (D-NH). There are 21 female Senators, a record number, fifteen Democrats.
  • All 25 seats in the Hawaii Senate are Democratic.
  • Voters in California, Nevada, New Mexico, and Maine legalized recreational marijuana.
  • Gun safety laws passed in Washington, California, and Nevada.
  • Minimum wage increases passed in Washington, Arizona, Maine, and Colorado.

The West and South-West are bright spots for Democrats, as well as the North East. Nevada Democrats won the presidential race, held the Senate seat vacated by retiring Senator Reid, and picked up two house seats making 3 of the 4 House seats blue. But they also won both houses of the State Legislature. Democrats also dominate in California, the largest and most prosperous state in the Union, which under Democrats (and RINO Arnold Schwartzenegger) enacted the country's most advanced legislation to combat climate change. In Washington state, a carbon tax failed to be approved as a ballot measure, tragically because environmental groups could not agree if it was the most effective means to limit emissions.

Contrast the dynamism of Democrat-run and ethnically diverse California with the Rust Belts states of Michigan and Wisconsin, which are Republican-run. The West-South-West could be America's future.

The angry demonstrations in American cities like Los Angeles, Chicago and New York will die out ( Thousands take to the streets to protest Trump win - CNNPolitics.com ) but they are a problem for Trump to prove he is everyone's President, and an opportunity for Democrats to channel that rage into a productive goal of winning back the House and Senate in 2018, or at least forcing Republicans onto the defensive. It was Tea Party rage in 2008, well-funded by Republican donors, that fuelled the House Republican landslide of 2010.

"Buyer's Regret" is a real phenomenon, and disillusion sets in early if the economy stays stagnant, as the Democrat's found in 2010.

  • Yes, 2016 was a Democrat disaster.
  • Yes, the road back will be long and difficult.
  • But there is no need to totally adopt the prevailing false "unrelenting gloom" narrative
  • There is plenty of scope for Democrats to be a patriotic, loyal and effective opposition.
  • Many, including committed Republicans, are deeply uneasy with Trump's right-wing populism
  • The goal of making him a one-term President is not impossible.
  • Nor is the goal of Democrat House and Senate majorities, even in the long term.

Tough reality check for Trump's pledge of better heartland jobs, wages | Reuters
Ah you beat me to it Owe to Joy -was just about to set up a similar thread.

They need to start with new Congressional leadership - Pelosi, Hoyer and Reid have been crap
 

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It's not all bad news. They are now rid of philandering Bill and Calamity Clinton.
 

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Ah you beat me to it Owe to Joy -was just about to set up a similar thread.

They need to start with new Congressional leadership - Pelosi, Hoyer and Reid have been crap
Nancy Pelosi has been a warhorse for the Democrats - a really effective Speaker, but you are right, her day is past.

Elizabeth Warren is an obvious choice. I do not mean a candidate, but as a Democrat voice to the country. Not to forget Bernie Sanders either.

There is a also Barack Obama, who is leaving office as popular as Reagan was, though not undefeated as Reagan was. However, I would like Obama to take on a backroom task of regenerating the Democrats from the bottom up i.e. in the states. He has the prestige, intellect and leadership ability to do it.

I reject talk of "Michelle Obama in 2020" - that almost trivialises the problem, and reduces it to one of personalities, not strategy and re-organisation.
 

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It's not all bad news. They are now rid of philandering Bill and Calamity Clinton.
You may be right.

Now it is Republicans who are stuck with a sexually-abusing pussy-grabber as their main man. Facing a couple of law suits, too, I believe, not to mention his taxes, Trump Foundation and Trump University. Those will work wonders with his ability to run the country.

Given your rejection of philandering, I am sure you will join calls for Trump's impeachment and/ or resignation.
 

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Have to admit it gives me a bit of a chuckle when I think of those pre-election commentators relishing Trump "destroying" the Republican Party. Well now he's well and truly skewered the Democrats too.

Ironically both parties now have something to rally around - nothing heals divisions like success (in the case of Republicans) or a fight against a cartoon villain (for the Democrats).
 

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Have to admit it gives me a bit of a chuckle when I think of those pre-election commentators relishing Trump "destroying" the Republican Party. Well now he's well and truly skewered the Democrats too.

Ironically both parties now have something to rally around - nothing heals divisions like success (in the case of Republicans) or a fight against a cartoon villain (for the Democrats).
Success actually being problems. The President and the Congressional Republicans have somewhat different agendas, and both want very much to be re-elected. Trump as a populist is a Big Government proponent, and if he seriously want to help his rural rust best voters he will need a Government effort to assist them. Congressional Republicans are for a low-tax, low-welfare, small government regime with no sympathy for the poor and unemployed.

They may cobble a compromise (you can guarantee the wealthy will do the best!) but there will be plenty of contradictions and screw-ups for an effective opposition to exploit.

As for a "cartoon villain" a misogynistic pussy-grabber is a bit more than that, imho. If by "cartoon", you mean a grotesque caricature of what a real President and a real man should be, I agree.
 

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Have to admit it gives me a bit of a chuckle when I think of those pre-election commentators relishing Trump "destroying" the Republican Party. Well now he's well and truly skewered the Democrats too.

Ironically both parties now have something to rally around - nothing heals divisions like success (in the case of Republicans) or a fight against a cartoon villain (for the Democrats).
The biggest problem both parties have is the primary system, it is too expensive, publicises and exaggerates internal party differences and allows fanatics to have the main say in choosing the candidate. This time it was a Republican problem but it effects both parties.
 

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The biggest problem both parties have is the primary system, it is too expensive, publicises and exaggerates internal party differences and allows fanatics to have the main say in choosing the candidate. This time it was a Republican problem but it effects both parties.
The only way to change the system is via a bipartisan approach. A bipartisan committee could recommend changes to streamline the process, try to take the money influence out of it, and make it shorter. Conventions are obsolete, now they are just media showcases, with the candidates already chosen. Taking one year to elect a President is ridiculous in the 21st century.

But big donors on both sides like the system because it multiplies the power of money.

A start would be to undo the Citizens United decision, either by Constitutional amendment, or via the Supreme Court.

Funny though, only Hillary Clinton wanted to do that. Trump not only supported CU (which enables the super-PACS) but appointed its chairman to his team.
 

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Nancy Pelosi has been a warhorse for the Democrats - a really effective Speaker, but you are right, her day is past.

Elizabeth Warren is an obvious choice. I do not mean a candidate, but as a Democrat voice to the country. Not to forget Bernie Sanders either.

There is a also Barack Obama, who is leaving office as popular as Reagan was, though not undefeated as Reagan was. However, I would like Obama to take on a backroom task of regenerating the Democrats from the bottom up i.e. in the states. He has the prestige, intellect and leadership ability to do it.

I reject talk of "Michelle Obama in 2020" - that almost trivialises the problem, and reduces it to one of personalities, not strategy and re-organisation.
but ms obamah is an easy way out if things look too though for the dems
 

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You may be right.

Now it is Republicans who are stuck with a sexually-abusing pussy-grabber as their main man. Facing a couple of law suits, too, I believe, not to mention his taxes, Trump Foundation and Trump University. Those will work wonders with his ability to run the country.

Given your rejection of philandering, I am sure you will join calls for Trump's impeachment and/ or resignation.
clintons kept this on the front pages aided by a bought media, bill and hillary has as much if not more form at this type of lifestyle as trump, by the media kept it off the front pages, look at hillarys treatment of any woman who dared even suggest that bill was anything but a saint
 

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Success actually being problems. The President and the Congressional Republicans have somewhat different agendas, and both want very much to be re-elected. Trump as a populist is a Big Government proponent, and if he seriously want to help his rural rust best voters he will need a Government effort to assist them. Congressional Republicans are for a low-tax, low-welfare, small government regime with no sympathy for the poor and unemployed.

They may cobble a compromise (you can guarantee the wealthy will do the best!) but there will be plenty of contradictions and screw-ups for an effective opposition to exploit.

As for a "cartoon villain" a misogynistic pussy-grabber is a bit more than that, imho. If by "cartoon", you mean a grotesque caricature of what a real President and a real man should be, I agree.
the trousering party here are a mirror of the republican in the u.s.
 

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The Democrats have to ask themselves why white voters in the Mid West and the South really despise them and why many of them view the party as 'anti white'.
 

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but the stench will remain for a long long time
Now joined by the smell of another sex-abusing pussy-grabbing misogynist in the White House, name of Donald Trump.
 

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clintons kept this on the front pages aided by a bought media, bill and hillary has as much if not more form at this type of lifestyle as trump, by the media kept it off the front pages, look at hillarys treatment of any woman who dared even suggest that bill was anything but a saint
You can switch the irrelevant-shyte switch to "off" now. The election is over.

But if you want to talk about a rapist and sexual abuser in the White House, Donald J Trump is front and centre. To even raise the topic with discussing Trump's transgressions is rank hypocrisy.
 

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The Democrats biggest asset is that the Republicans control all the houses of government. Total control always leads to total hubris and is followed by electoral collapse (like the Democrats discovered in 1994, the Republicans discovered in 2006 and the Democrats discovered again in 2010).
 

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The Democrats have to ask themselves why white voters in the Mid West and the South really despise them and why many of them view the party as 'anti white'.
Democrats should continue with the vision of the US as a diverse, colour-blind society. Pandering to prejudice in not the way forward, or "competing" for the "white vote".

You do not oppose a party in power by becoming its carbon copy, or trying to outbid it. You offer an alternative vision that brings advantages, and advocate for that.

As I pointed out in the OP, the most prosperous states in the US follow the vision of diversity and tolerance and are mostly "blue" states (except Alaska):

10. Minnesota – Median household income: $61,481 Poverty rate: 11.5%
9. California – Median household income: $61,933 Poverty rate: 16.4%
8. Virginia – Median household income: $64,902 Poverty rate: 11.8%
7. New Hampshire – Median household income: $66,532 Poverty rate: 9.2%
6. Massachusetts – Median household income: $69,160 Poverty rate: 11.6%
5. Hawaii – Median household income: $69,592 Poverty rate: 11.4%
4. Connecticut – Median household income: $70,048 Poverty rate: 10.8%
3. Alaska – Median household income: $71,583 Poverty rate: 11.2%
2. New Jersey – Median household income: $71,919 Poverty rate: 11.1%
1. Maryland- Median household income: $73,971 Poverty rate: 10.1%

Whereas the poorest states are most "red" (except New Mexico):

50. Mississippi – Median household income: $39,680 Poverty rate: 21.5%
49. West Virginia – Median household income: $41,059 Poverty rate: 18.3%
48. Arkansas – Median household income: $41,262 Poverty rate: 18.9%
47. Alabama – Median household income: $42,830 Poverty rate: 19.3%
46. Kentucky – Median household income: $42,958 Poverty rate: 19.1%
45. Tennessee – Median household income: $44,361 Poverty rate: 18.3%
44. Louisiana – Median household income: $44,555 Poverty rate: 19.8%
43. New Mexico – Median household income: $44,803 Poverty rate: 21.3%
42. South Carolina – Median household income: $45,238 Poverty rate: 18.0%
41. Montana – Median household income: $46,328 Poverty rate: 15.4%

For some reason, poorer states have more conflicts about preserving the privileges of identity, gender and class.

These Are America’s Richest & Poorest States « All About America
 

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The Democrats biggest asset is that the Republicans control all the houses of government. Total control always leads to total hubris and is followed by electoral collapse (like the Democrats discovered in 1994, the Republicans discovered in 2006 and the Democrats discovered again in 2010).
I agree.

I think Americans instinctively distrust a single party controlling all the divisions of the Government, Executive, Legislative and Legal. There is opportunity there for Democrats.
 


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