Its now time for FF to ask FG/Labour to make the budget and 4 year plan.

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Its clear to everybody that FF no longer have a mandate to govern. They have lost the confidence of the people, and their government partners.

The country is now on the verge of civil unrest, and its now time for FF to put the national interest first.

This can be done very easily.

Its now time for FF to invite FG/Labour/SF into the dept of finance and give them full access to everything. FF should ask the parties to present a budget within 2 weeks. FF must also agree to either abstain or support their budget. This is the only patriotic thing that FF can do in the national interest.

Failing this, the only other path for FF to take is to call an immediate general election.

Its time for FF to put up or shut up about the national interest.
 


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Its clear to everybody that FF no longer have a mandate to govern. They have lost the confidence of the people, and their government partners.

The country is now on the verge of civil unrest, and its now time for FF to put the national interest first.

This can be done very easily.

Its now time for FF to invite FG/Labour/SF into the dept of finance and give them full access to everything. FF should ask the parties to present a budget within 2 weeks. FF must also agree to either abstain or support their budget. This is the only patriotic thing that FF can do in the national interest.

Failing this, the only other path for FF to take is to call an immediate general election.

Its time for FF to put up or shut up about the national interest.

This was raised on Moaning Ireland this morning and Noel Dempsey just couldn't get his head around the idea at all....all talk about making officials available to FG/Lab to help them "understand" the budget, but just couldn't see a way to get them involved in actually defining the budget.

FF's line at the moment is great - we've made such a balls of everything that it's in the national interest to let us devise how next government will make an even bigger balls of it so we're back in 5 years tops.
 

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Time for FG and LP to form a minority government with tacit support from FF to push through a budget and then to have an election at the earliest opportunity.
 

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Time for FG and LP to form a minority government with tacit support from FF to push through a budget and then to have an election at the earliest opportunity.
The problem is that it will be FF's budget - a timebomb that FG/lab will have to deliver during their first and most difficult year in office and one that voters will forget FF made necessary.
 

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The problem is that it will be FF's budget - a timebomb that FG/lab will have to deliver during their first and most difficult year in office and one that voters will forget FF made necessary.
If FG/Labour go in there today, they have more than enough time to bring in an interim budget to deal with the IMF and give time for an election.

If FF want to do the right thing for Ireland, this is their chance.
 

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If FG/Labour go in there today, they have more than enough time to bring in an interim budget to deal with the IMF and give time for an election.

If FF want to do the right thing for Ireland, this is their chance.
And if they don't I think it's fair to infer that they don't want to do the right thing for Ireland and wish, instead, to set any number of booby traps that FG/Lab will need to survive, and the ultimate loosers will be Joan and Joe Taxpayer-Voter.
 

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If it is so important for the budget to be passed, why can't Clowen and Lenny bring it before the Dail tomorrow?

Why wait until 7th December?
 

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November tax returns.
 

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If it is so important for the budget to be passed, why can't Clowen and Lenny bring it before the Dail tomorrow?

Why wait until 7th December?
Well, there has to be full consideration of the issues involved, consulting the stakeholders and reviewing the parameters of the solutions proposed so as to come to a full understanding of the possible pitfalls that may exist, bearing in mind the current climate and the potentialities that may present themselves, notwithstanding the forcasted outcomes etc,etc,etc ad infinitum.......
 

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Well, there has to be full consideration of the issues involved, consulting the stakeholders and reviewing the parameters of the solutions proposed so as to come to a full understanding of the possible pitfalls that may exist, bearing in mind the current climate and the potentialities that may present themselves, notwithstanding the forcasted outcomes etc,etc,etc ad infinitum.......
Going forward.
 

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No. Labour and FG do not need to do anything or make any responce for 24 hours, at least.

The idea that Lab/FG would devise the next Budget and hand it over to FF to implement would stick in the craw of many 'unconstructed' FF TDs incluing some Govt Mins like O Cuiv, Coughlan and others who believe the current economic situation is anything but FF's fault.

Lab and FG are not so supine as to implement FF's own Budget. It would be like rescueing Biffo from the jaws of defeat.

As some other poster said: 'Cowan does not do elections......he will only do so at the behest of a court order'. So he will have to driven from power rather than appealing to him to do the right and honourable thing and leave power.

This evg's FF Parl Party will tell alot. I certainly expect Queensbury Rules will not apply and that kicking, gougeing, eye-poking, bare-knuckling will be par for the course. There will be alot of blood on the floor. Not by any means certain that Cowan will survive some of the mauling he may receive.

Why bother to take out Biffo when the FF party may do it themselves !!!!

No question, therefore, of Lab and FG having to write a Budget from the opposition benches or for them to give unqualified approval to a FF Budget they have not seen or had any part in drawing up. It's a crazy idea.
 

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The problem is that it will be FF's budget - a timebomb that FG/lab will have to deliver during their first and most difficult year in office and one that voters will forget FF made necessary.
The people will understand this. FG/Lab won't be punished as a result.

They can present their own Budget the following year, when things have calmed down.

It hardly matters anyway. FG and Lab will have such a whopping majority that they won't have to worry about electoral impact for min 5 years.
 

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November tax returns.
Come off it.

They're pretty much done and dusted. They can guess what will come in over the next 3 days. How much are they going to be out? €1-2m?
 

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November tax returns.
They know every day how much money they received, if not every hour.
November 15th was the key date for self-employed people paying by ROS.

They know the bad news latest on November 16th.

In reality they knew at the end of October as they then had Single Debit Authorisations for all this money and would only need to have made an estimate for how many SDAs would bounce.
 

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What possible difference could the November tax returns have on the overall detail of this year's budget?
Thats right if they really wanted to do a budget they could implement this week.
Look at the emergency budgets that they have done in the past.
The Dec 7th deadline is an artificial one set by themselves.
The 1st year of the 4 year plan will be broadly be the same.
 

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No way FG / Lab would dream of devising a budget this side of an election. The want FF to devise and pass the budget and then take the resultant pain at the polls.
 


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