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" It's Time to Ban Private Schools"


Windowshopper

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Just came across this article today (though it is a couple of months old) by Mahdi Hasan (currently HuffingtonPost UK and Al Jezerea, and formerly of the New Statesman) in which he advocates the abolition of British public (i.e. private schools) schools. While private schools graduates don't dominate Irish society to the same extend as they do their British equivalents I found the article interesting. Do private schools give an unfair advantage to students and therefore they should be scrapped or do private schools represent a vital parental choice?

As a funny aside I was watching the Sunday Politics on BBC this morning where the former Schools Minister (2010-12) Nick Gibb MP (Con.) was praising the Finnish education system possibly unaware that it is complete state funded (according to Hasan's article anyway).

Mehdi Hasan: Warren Buffett Is Right: It's Time to Ban Private Schools
 


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People who can afford have a right to send their children to be educated where they wish. Anyway, it saves the State money as the private schools pay for everything bar teachers pay, which would have to be paid regardless in an increased number of public schools due to the hypothetical banning.
 

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Ban them ? Not sure , but they shouldn't be subsidised in any way by the state and that includes tax breaks. Please don't give me the " if they the childern didn't got to private schools they would be a burden on the state " . If you want to send to private school fine , but you pay the rate.
 

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People who can afford have a right to send their children to be educated where they wish. Anyway, it saves the State money as the private schools pay for everything bar teachers pay, which would have to be paid regardless in an increased number of public schools due to the hypothetical banning.
But I think the thrust of the article is that it gives an unearned advantage over their peers. As for the cost the state could save money by getting out of education altogether and thus leaving it education to those who can afford it to get an education but we don't do that because it would be recognized as being fundamentally unfair.
 

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it saves the State money as the private schools pay for everything bar teachers pay
Which just happens to be where the vast majority of the cost of running a school lies. . . In teachers pay.

People who pay for private schools for their kids are paying for their children to be socially excluded from members of society who cannot afford to send their kids to that school (i.e. the poor)
 
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Yes; ban them, by all means. Then ban parents' reading to their children at night, teaching them to say 'please and thank you', and feeding them healthy food.
 

carruthers

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Ban them ? Not sure , but they shouldn't be subsidised in any way by the state and that includes tax breaks. Please don't give me the " if they the childern didn't got to private schools they would be a burden on the state " . If you want to send to private school fine , but you pay the rate.
They do and while they're at it they pay for your kids too.
 

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Ban them ? Not sure , but they shouldn't be subsidised in any way by the state and that includes tax breaks. Please don't give me the " if they the childern didn't got to private schools they would be a burden on the state " . If you want to send to private school fine , but you pay the rate.
Or funnily enough one could probably attack school subsidies from a purely capitalist stand point of if its needs state subsidies to survive than its a failed enterprise.
 

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Which just happens to be where the vast majority of the cost of running a school lies. . . In teachers pay.

People who pay for private schools for their kids are paying for their children to be socially excluded from members of society who cannot afford to send their kids to that school (i.e. the poor)
The poor will be poor regardless if the have snobby kids in their class. It's not an argument for preventing people choosing their education in my opinion.
 
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Which just happens to be where the vast majority of the cost of running a school lies. . . In teachers pay.

People who pay for private schools for their kids are paying for their children to be socially excluded from members of society who cannot afford to send their kids to that school (i.e. the poor)
So what? What business is it of the State? Does the State own you and your children?
 

darkhorse

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Just came across this article today (though it is a couple of months old) by Mahdi Hasan (currently HuffingtonPost UK and Al Jezerea, and formerly of the New Statesman) in which he advocates the abolition of British public (i.e. private schools) schools. While private schools graduates don't dominate Irish society to the same extend as they do their British equivalents I found the article interesting. Do private schools give an unfair advantage to students and therefore they should be scrapped or do private schools represent a vital parental choice?

As a funny aside I was watching the Sunday Politics on BBC this morning where the former Schools Minister (2010-12) Nick Gibb MP (Con.) was praising the Finnish education system possibly unaware that it is complete state funded (according to Hasan's article anyway).

Mehdi Hasan: Warren Buffett Is Right: It's Time to Ban Private Schools
Public schools in the UK are completely self financing - so no reason at all to ban them
In contrast, the wages of teachers in private schools in Ireland are paid by the State
Forcing British children into a sometimes bad State school, simply because it is a State school, is wrong
 

RobertW

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So what? What business is it of the State? Does the State own you and your children?
No. The state doesn't own anyone of course. . . So the state should not be funding exclusion. . . Which is effectively what the state is doing.

Did you read the article?
 

Ribeye

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Just came across this article today (though it is a couple of months old) by Mahdi Hasan (currently HuffingtonPost UK and Al Jezerea, and formerly of the New Statesman) in which he advocates the abolition of British public (i.e. private schools) schools. While private schools graduates don't dominate Irish society to the same extend as they do their British equivalents I found the article interesting. Do private schools give an unfair advantage to students and therefore they should be scrapped or do private schools represent a vital parental choice?

As a funny aside I was watching the Sunday Politics on BBC this morning where the former Schools Minister (2010-12) Nick Gibb MP (Con.) was praising the Finnish education system possibly unaware that it is complete state funded (according to Hasan's article anyway).

Mehdi Hasan: Warren Buffett Is Right: It's Time to Ban Private Schools
Warren Puffet, ha:)

Stick to the criminality and the hash browns Warreny,

Nobody's buying your cutsie tales of playing bridge will Bill Gates anymore,

Ye didnt understand Intel, and ye don't understand the Internet,

Welcome to the real information age old man,

Now go cry on Becky's shoulder, maybe she'll give ye a Cherry Coke,

Zing:)
 

Windowshopper

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Public schools in the UK are completely self financing - so no reason at all to ban them
In contrast, the wages of teachers in private schools in Ireland are paid by the State
Forcing British children into a sometimes bad State school, simply because it is a State school, is wrong
There are self financing in the UK but surely the advantage they bestow on their pupils could be seen to represent a problem when they dominate society? That been said that private schools are a symbol of the elite's position rather than the cause i.e private schools don't 'make' an elite the elite go their to show demonstrate their position.
 

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I don't know about banning then completely, but perhaps they should be made more accessible to the general public, i.e. fees capped, much less stringent entry requirements etc.

the private school system in Ireland is different in that there is no one or two standout dominant schools, which are extremely elitist and discriminatory, and that's the right way to be in my opinion. Although that's not to say that anyone should be at a disadvantage just because their parents can't afford to pay. The child won't be paying, so it's unfair to create such a huge gap between children because of something completely out of their control.

And besides, the teachers from these schools would still have to work somewhere even if private schools were banned. Maybe they could be reassigned randomly as well, and the state school system would benefit too.
 

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Banning private schools sounds more like a way of bringing the education system down a few notches than promoting social justice/equality of opportunity. The rich have many other ways of maintaining privilege and exclusion anyway.

If the advantages privately-educated kids have over the average kid are truly deterimental to society, couldn't there be a more positive means of redress - e.g. some sort of national service, not in the army (necessarily) but in some form of public service that has them contributing to society and mixing with us plebs?
 
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All differences should be abolished by the State....sports, music, drama, everything. It should all be decided upon and run by the State, ie a civil servant sitting in a govt dept should tell people how to spend their money. Can't wait...
 

ruserious

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You believe that the state should subsidise privilege and exclusivity.

We get it.
It's not exclusive really. Anyone can attend. There is no barrier except the cost which can be waived under scholarship etc.
 

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