Ivana Bacik says she's not the only non-DubCentral resident running in Dublin Central

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Whether a candidate is from the area or not is largely irrelevant. This contesting is about electing a TD to the national parliament. Who gives a ******************** about local issues? Thats for councillors to concentrate on.
I think you'll find that most of the loctorate give a ******************** about local issues. A TD is supposed to be a representative of the people, that's what representative democracy is all about. A person cannot represent Dublin Central if they have no knowledge of the local issues.

The idea that councillors alone can deal with most of the local issues in DC, is ridiculous. Things like decent public transport, the build-up of immigrant ghettos, the provision of school places etc.etc. cannot be covered by councillors.

By her own admission, Bacik's only connection with DC is that she makes occasional trips to the Four Courts. Do you think that this provides a proper insight into the issues impacting the people of DC?
 


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I think you'll find that most of the loctorate give a ******************** about local issues. A TD is supposed to be a representative of the people, that's what representative democracy is all about. A person cannot represent Dublin Central if they have no knowledge of the local issues.
And I suppose it would be absolutely impossible to know anything about local issues unless you have lived in the area all your life - is that it?

I will be voting in Dublin Central and I'd take Ivana Bacik (an obviously intelligent, progressive and hard working activist) over Maurice Ahern (say no more), Paschal Donohoe (feels like a boy playing politics), Maureen O'Sullivan (congratulations, you happened to know Tony Gregory) and Christy Burke (won't vote Sinn Fein).
 

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And I suppose it would be absolutely impossible to know anything about local issues unless you have lived in the area all your life - is that it?

I will be voting in Dublin Central and I'd take Ivana Bacik (an obviously intelligent, progressive and hard working activist) over Maurice Ahern (say no more), Paschal Donohoe (feels like a boy playing politics), Maureen O'Sullivan (congratulations, you happened to know Tony Gregory) and Christy Burke (won't vote Sinn Fein).
You forgot to mention Malachy Steenson of the Workers Party, that guy from the Christian Solidarity Party and, of course, the nemisis of Ms Bacik and her friends, Pat Talbot of Immigration Control Platform. No doubt you might consider them as worthy of a vote!
 
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You forgot to mention Malachy Steenson of the Workers Party, that guy from the Christian Solidarity Party and, of course, the nemisis of Ms Bacik and her friends, Pat Talbot of Immigration Control Platform. No doubt you might consider them as worthy of a vote!
I will be voting for all three and may even give Talbot my #1 as I think this is an issue that needs a more full discussion than it's getting, however I doubt any of tem will get enough votes to claim their expenses.
 

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Her campaign has bombed spectacularly, Maurice Ahern might not live in Dublin Central but he does represent the Cabra Glasnevin ward in Dublin central unlike Bacik who represents the rotten borough of the Trinity senate panel. Its still hard to believe that Paddy Power installed her as the favourite initially. She'll be lucky to be in 4th place at this rate. Oisin Quinn and Lacey must be delighted to see her flop as it will make it much easier to block her for Dublin SE when Ruairi Quinn finally shuffles off the political stage.
 

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And I suppose it would be absolutely impossible to know anything about local issues unless you have lived in the area all your life - is that it?
I don't think you need to have lived there all your life, but you need a lot more than a couple of weeks crash course on local issues after being parachuted into a constituency that you showed no previous interest in and where the local party are playing the "vote local" card for all it's worth.

Let's not forget that it was Bacik's own petulance that started this thread and drew more attention to her lack of local credentials . This shows a serious lack of judgement on top of all her other failings.
 

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Bacik is a problem for Labour. She is not a socialist but rather like Robinson is fixated with one issue. People can see through this and she will not attract any voters that might be leaning towards Labour.
 

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Last week I posted a few pictures from Dublin Central, where I commented on how many of the Labour local election posters had "Vote Local" stickers.

http://www.politics.ie/labour/70376-labour-saying-vote-local-locals-dub-central-except-not-election.html

An hour ago, Ivana Bacik posted a message on Twitter.



Senator Bacik does have a point, Maurice Ahern doesn't live in the area, however, it's also worth noting that Senator Bacik's comment does in some part acknowledge that a candidate in an election should live in the area, right? Also it seems a question she must be getting asked alot.
David, I read in the paper at the weekend the even the great George Lee cant vote in the Dublin South as his home is in the dun laoghaire area? Is this right and does it matter in terms of representation? Just wondering if anyone knows if this is correct?
 

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I don't think you need to have lived there all your life, but you need a lot more than a couple of weeks crash course on local issues after being parachuted into a constituency that you showed no previous interest in and where the local party are playing the "vote local" card for all it's worth.

Let's not forget that it was Bacik's own petulance that started this thread and drew more attention to her lack of local credentials . This shows a serious lack of judgement on top of all her other failings.

All other things being equal, I would agree that it's better a candidate is local. But all other things are not equal, and the local-ness or not of the candidate is (to me) much less important than the type or person and politician they are. Someone who is clued in won't take long to get a handle on things if elected.

The local candidates in Dublin Central are a pretty weak lot to be honest with you (I've been canvassed by most of them and none impressed me at all). Maurice Ahern was in the road the day before yesterday and one of his henchmen described him as "the taoiseach's brother"!

Just out of interest what you you think Bacik's "other failings" are?
 
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Just out of interest what you you think Bacik's "other failings" are?
Yeah! And don't mention the breaking of mandate at a past USI congress, that's just wouldn't be fair or relevant to the good people of Dublin Central.

Convenient editing going on of her wikipedia entry I see:

Ivana Bacik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Her term as president of TCDSU ended prematurely when she resigned in 1990 after it was discovered that she had broken a mandate received from the Union membership. Bacik secretly broke the [[mandate]] given to her to voting for candidates at a [[Union of Students in Ireland]] conference. Despite 13 TCD representatives being mandated to vote for one candidate, Martin Whelan, a former TCD SU present, it transpired that candidate received only 12 votes, Bacik's vote instead being given to the feminist former UCD SU officer, Karen Quinlivan. A major controversy erupted in the Students' Union and an investigation started leading to Bacik's resignation.<ref>http://devore.journals.ie/2004/05/26/whyiwontvoteforivanabacik/</ref>
 

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I actually think she can win the seat, ahern is being run out of working class areas even with the brudder's minders, o donhoue may top the poll but wont get transfers from anywhere, Maureens a nice person but everybody knows nice people arent whats needed in the dail right now, burke hasnt a snowballs chance(kehoe should heve been begged to run again) , there are no other candidates who will influence the result, so the question should be who are sinn fein and gregorys crew asking for 2nds for?
 

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I actually think she can win the seat, ahern is being run out of working class areas even with the brudder's minders, o donhoue may top the poll but wont get transfers from anywhere, Maureens a nice person but everybody knows nice people arent whats needed in the dail right now, burke hasnt a snowballs chance(kehoe should heve been begged to run again) , there are no other candidates who will influence the result, so the question should be who are sinn fein and gregorys crew asking for 2nds for?
Oh no, please say it won't so. Let's hope the voters of Dublin Central have the sense to spare us from yet another prize twit lecturing us with pc platitudes !
 

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Let's hope the voters of Dublin Central have the sense to spare us from yet another prize twit lecturing us with pc platitudes !


....not to mention Bacik's stance during the Citizenship Referendum campaign when she refused to accept that there was any evidence whatever for the fact that women were coming to Ireland to give birth. Didn't matter what the maternity hospitals had to say. That wasn't "evidence".
 

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This is a true story:

When someone asked Bacik what links she had with Dublin Central, she said that she used to work in the Four Courts.
So? She said she spent every day in Dublin Central. Not to mention her time in Trinity.
 

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....not to mention Bacik's stance during the Citizenship Referendum campaign when she refused to accept that there was any evidence whatever for the fact that women were coming to Ireland to give birth. Didn't matter what the maternity hospitals had to say. That wasn't "evidence".
Not to mention her claim that jail was too hard on the poor women, sure it's only men that do bad things.
 

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David, I read in the paper at the weekend the even the great George Lee cant vote in the Dublin South as his home is in the dun laoghaire area? Is this right and does it matter in terms of representation? Just wondering if anyone knows if this is correct?
He's based in the Cabinteely-Pottery ED, which in the new electoral boundaries (coming into effect at the next GE) would be in Dun Laogahire, but would be just over the border from Dublin South. So he's 'not of the parish' but would be still relatively local in that he's only based a mile or two away from the constituency
 

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The Village Magazine have a clever observation about Dublin Central and Ivana Bacik in their latest edition:

"Despite its glamorous name the constituency rewards candidates with a track-record of progressive hard-work, not middle-class do-gooders"

Sums it up perfectly!
 

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He's based in the Cabinteely-Pottery ED, which in the new electoral boundaries (coming into effect at the next GE) would be in Dun Laogahire, but would be just over the border from Dublin South. So he's 'not of the parish' but would be still relatively local in that he's only based a mile or two away from the constituency
Thanks for that, so he is Dublin Central now but wont be come the next GE, I wonder will that mean that he will switch to Dun Laogahire for the next time out?
 

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Why aren't the Dublin University constituents up in arms that she's using her seat to launch a career for herself in the lower house?
 


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