Jack O'Connor: We Tried to Stop The Boom!



TODevastated

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the IT does comedy......

the amnesia seems to have spread across the river.....

no credibility whatsoever....

whens the labour 2011 poster goin up on liberty hall?....
you are right there it certainly does comedy all right

how many deals was he a part of? and came out of govt buildings in the middle of the night claiming "how hard it was going to be to do a deal" blah blah

has he forgotten his input to benchmarking etc

what a clown! (granted he was not the only one, but he certainly was one of the most prominent)
 

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BS from JOC.

What a load of BS...Jack O'Connor and the rest of the trade union leadership were bought off by Zanu-FF...They had their snouts in the troff too.:mad:
 

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might be a slim chance of some balance, doubtful, however the following is a list of the members of partnership

Irish Congress of Trade Unions (ICTU)
Service Industrial Professional and Technical Union
Irish Business and Employers’ Confederation (IBEC)
Small Firms’ Association (SFA)
Irish Exporters’ Association (IEA)
Irish Tourist Industry Confederation (ITIC)
Irish Hotels Federation
Chambers Ireland
Irish Farmers’ Association (IFA)
Irish Creamery Milk Suppliers’ Association (ICMSA)
Irish Co-Operative Organisation Society Ltd. (ICOS)
Irish Cattle and Sheep Farmers Association
Macra na Feirme
Irish National Organisation of the Unemployed (INOU)
Congress Centres Network
CORI Justice Commission
National Youth Council of Ireland (NYCI)
National Association of Building Co-Operatives (NABCO)
Irish Council for Social Housing (ICSH)
Society of Saint Vincent de Paul
Age Action Ireland
The Carers Association
The Wheel
The Disability Federation of Ireland
Irish Rural Link
The Irish Senior Citizens’ Parliament
The Children’s Rights Alliance
Protestant Aid
Community Platform
National Women's Council of Ireland
Environmental Pillar
A perfect list of Irelands special interest groups. Is any one here repesented by these people?

Lets not be naive & think all parties had an equal say. I'd guess the level of input was in similar to the order listed.

I think O'Connor might be down to 120k salary? Of course this doesn't include all the quangos he is appointed to.
 

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might be a slim chance of some balance, doubtful, however the following is a list of the members of partnership

Irish Congress of Trade Unions (ICTU)
Service Industrial Professional and Technical Union
Irish Business and Employers’ Confederation (IBEC)
Small Firms’ Association (SFA)
Irish Exporters’ Association (IEA)
Irish Tourist Industry Confederation (ITIC)
Irish Hotels Federation
Chambers Ireland
Irish Farmers’ Association (IFA)
Irish Creamery Milk Suppliers’ Association (ICMSA)
Irish Co-Operative Organisation Society Ltd. (ICOS)
Irish Cattle and Sheep Farmers Association
Macra na Feirme
Irish National Organisation of the Unemployed (INOU)
Congress Centres Network
CORI Justice Commission
National Youth Council of Ireland (NYCI)
National Association of Building Co-Operatives (NABCO)
Irish Council for Social Housing (ICSH)
Society of Saint Vincent de Paul
Age Action Ireland
The Carers Association
The Wheel
The Disability Federation of Ireland
Irish Rural Link
The Irish Senior Citizens’ Parliament
The Children’s Rights Alliance
Protestant Aid
Community Platform
National Women's Council of Ireland
Environmental Pillar
None of this lot should never have been let anywhere near Government
They have made such a complete hames of it, that partnership has been dissolved.
The new partnership has just 2 members
a) The IMF
b) The Government
And with the IMF supervising, the Government is precluding from wasteing any more money.
 

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There are few men I hate more then Bertie Ahern, but O'Connor, Begg and Horan are pretty close to reaching his level.
 

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did anyone see the clip on youtube from the protest last saturday when the bearded one was asked by a woman when would they call an all out strike.he gave a very short answer and did not seem to be interested what so ever.
 

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There are few men I hate more then Bertie Ahern, but O'Connor, Begg and Horan are pretty close to reaching his level.
Hold on - are you suffering from political amnesia? Can you and the ABFF mob not recall the infamous "the country is awash with money, Minister" remarks from the opposition front benches as they bayed for more and more giveaways, as each budget before the crash, was presented?

They assured us that if they were in power the rate for this, that and the other welfare payment would.....yes, be more and more. The minimum wage rate was hammered to death - "paltry", if I recall the description used by one leftie.

The sooner ABFF get into power the better, let's see how they shovel the sh!t for four years, how they will silence the same people who are after blood, this time it will be their blood and they bloody well deserve it!

After all, they were part of the problem too!
 

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personal abuse is sick on this site

The unions were only one of many members of partnership

unions do what the exact same thing as ibec, isme, icmas, ifa, cfi blah blah, they represent their members

how come no one on this site complains about the mess the CFI got us into, saying house prices weren't out of control, 45,000 houses a year wasn't a problem!

Estate agents mislead people for years but hey, they are fine

newspapers & journalists made a fortune on property and, would you believe went on a few trips with politicans

there were over 30 different members in partnership process

all unions fault!
Personally speaking - parasites like O Connor are the worst kind of turncoat, i can understand journalists, developers, bankers and scumbags like Tom parlon lying through their teeth to me... none of them pretend to be on my side, they are all in it for the gravy and that much is obvious.

Scum like O Connor pretend to be on the ordinary working mans side when all they care about are their own well cushioned members - everyone else (including the country as a whole) be damned!!

All the while they pocket over 100k a year and accept tastly little board appointments from their govt pals.

Bad enough to be riding me up the arse but dont try and tell me you're my friend while you're doing it.
 

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did anyone see the clip on youtube from the protest last saturday when the bearded one was asked by a woman when would they call an all out strike.he gave a very short answer and did not seem to be interested what so ever.
For Gods sake what would an all-out strike achieve - we are in enough sh*t as it is.

Never liked O'Connor - hate hypocrites.
 

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is anybody surprised at this stage ?

this is up there with his "i never favored partnership" line from an interview on drivetime last week and his "i dont want to facilitate a race to the bottom" today when asked if he'll take a pay cut on his 124,000 a year paycheck.

hypocrite doesnt even come close to describing his type.

he's like a union version of dick roache.

COMPLETE abjecation of any responsibilty for the deals he negotiated that pushed his members wages 50% above where they should be and takes no responsibilty over the postion those people are in now having adjusted their lifestyles to that wage.

nobody SAID the unions alone were responsible

that was jack attempt to deflect the issue.

what was stated, and shouted at him at that rally, was that he and his share equal blame with the gov and IBEC as they were running the show.
 
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is anybody surprised at this stage ?

this is up there with his "i never favored partnership" line from an interview on drivetime last week and his "i dont want to facilitate a race to the bottom" today when asked if he'll take a pay cut on his 124,000 a year paycheck.

hypocrite doesnt even come close to describing his type.

he's like a union version of dick roache.

Got it in one, the union leaders have betrayed their members just as FF have betrayed the people of Ireland. Peter McLoone has been a huge dissappointment to me, I used to think he was the voice of reason until I discovered he was just another FF plant in the unions. Was up to his neck in the FAS debacle and walks away with a big pension.
Can someone start a new thread, " Where is Peter Mc Loone"?
 

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ill give macloone one thing.

he saw the writing on the wall last christmas and did a runner as soon as he knew the gravy train had left the station.
 

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Hold on - are you suffering from political amnesia? Can you and the ABFF mob not recall the infamous "the country is awash with money, Minister" remarks from the opposition front benches as they bayed for more and more giveaways, as each budget before the crash, was presented?

They assured us that if they were in power the rate for this, that and the other welfare payment would.....yes, be more and more. The minimum wage rate was hammered to death - "paltry", if I recall the description used by one leftie.

The sooner ABFF get into power the better, let's see how they shovel the sh!t for four years, how they will silence the same people who are after blood, this time it will be their blood and they bloody well deserve it!

After all, they were part of the problem too!
Oh please. Where have you ever seen me make any complementary remarks about the overpaid idiots we laughingly call an opposition?
 

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For Gods sake what would an all-out strike achieve - we are in enough sh*t as it is.

Never liked O'Connor - hate hypocrites.
i was not calling for a strike.i did not go to march and have no time for the bearded wonders of o conner,begg et al.at the end of the day the government will do what they want and its about time people just get on with it.destroy fianna fail at the next election but we all know 20% will still vote no.1 fianna fail.
 

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If partnership or quango membership by unions were the cause of the current crisis , then it would all have been solved long ago.
Those of us around long enough will remember that the first national agreements ( 1987 ? ) were designed to prevent looming chaos in the industrial relations area and provide a facilitation for growth in the economy.
The crisis we're now in resulted from a number of factors , not least the narrowing of the tax base to help FF and their backers. Providing tax incentives for property developers was absolutely crazy , if houses are needed they're built without any help from revenue. We can now see that the tax revenue from construction has disappeared ( while all sorts of dodgy tax avoidance schemes were hatched for those who are loaded ) and we have unwanted and unfinished developments in even the most remote parts of the country. Banks and developers got in on the merry go round , now they're being compensated for their gambling losses. By who ? , the Irish citizens of this and future generations.

I'm at times confused by people who say they're opposed to partnership or , more particularly , union representation on state boards. Is it an ideological opposition where they're saying workers should know their places and it's not at the top table ? Are they saying these positions should be confined to our " betters " ?
The kernel of the current issue is that these bankers and developers who cleaned up during the good times are now being prioritised over everybody else , and all supposedly in the national interest.

But , sure , you might as well have a go at the unions and the public sector workers if it makes you feel better. They're far more easily identified than those shadowy figures in the Galway Tent or those national " heroes " who lecture us from their tax avoidance havens abroad.
 

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Oh please. Where have you ever seen me make any complementary remarks about the overpaid idiots we laughingly call an opposition?
Oh do forgive me, I hadn't realised I was replying to one who had abandoned all hope and had retreated into a cocoon of despair and apathy.

At any rate I wanted to make those particular points about our esteemed and slightly-democratic opposition (excluding FG, of course), which I now have and will not trouble you again. You can put back on your burkah.
 

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Oh do forgive me, I hadn't realised I was replying to one who had abandoned all hope and had retreated into a cocoon of despair and apathy.

At any rate I wanted to make those particular points about our esteemed and slightly-democratic opposition (excluding FG, of course), which I now have and will not trouble you again. You can put back on your burkah.
Oh bugger off you tosser.
 

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personal abuse is sick on this site

The unions were only one of many members of partnership

unions do what the exact same thing as ibec, isme, icmas, ifa, cfi blah blah, they represent their members

how come no one on this site complains about the mess the CFI got us into, saying house prices weren't out of control, 45,000 houses a year wasn't a problem!

Estate agents mislead people for years but hey, they are fine

newspapers & journalists made a fortune on property and, would you believe went on a few trips with politicans

there were over 30 different members in partnership process

all unions fault!
Don't think people are being abusive towards union types.

The point merely being made, is that now the wheels have come off the cart, some leaders within unionism are trying to pretend that their shoulders didn't spend any time at the wheels of that very same cart, pushing it up to the dizzying heights of bubbledum.

ATM O' Toole is one obvious one who springs to mind, what a never to be forgotten phrase that was, coaxing all and sundry to join the party we all decided to have according to Brian L, and he was right. I didn't see ATM O' Toole objecting when a close relative was paid mega, mega tax-payer's bubble money, for a bit of land for a prison. Did he or anyone else ask any questions about 'value for the taxpayers money'? Or likewise when school children needed a bit of land in Gilmore country?

Caution was thrown out the window of the FAS jet on the way to explore outer space at Cape Carnivorous, while forgetting about inner space at home.

And now our latest project is a casino????

It's time for change in this country!
 


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