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Spanner Island

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Have you inside information? Has he threatened the Irish state? What exactly is his threat to public safety and security?

Do dissident republicans not form a much larger threat? Should they be removed from the country?
Don't think that's the point pinemartin...

We've enough home grown criminals and threats (who we cannot deport) without having a passport 'system' that enables more to come in simply because their granny or grandad came from some part of the auld sod...

At the very least there could be amendments that prevent criminals convicted elsewhere from having any right to an Irish passport or to reside here...

Or if their passport has already been issued have it revoked in the event that the holder is convicted of a crimimal offence in their country of birth/residence...
 

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Don't think that's the point pinemartin...

We've enough home grown criminals and threats (who we cannot deport) without having a passport 'system' that enables more to come in simply because their granny or grandad came from some part of the auld sod...

At the very least there could be amendments that prevent criminals convicted elsewhere from having any right to an Irish passport or to reside here...

Or if their passport has already been issued have it revoked in the event that the holder is convicted of a crimimal offence in their country of birth/residence...
The fact that the government could take your passport ( whether born here or because of the grand parent rule) off you because they deem you a threat to the state for some future imagined crime is a dangerous precedent to set. How does one judge a person a threat to the state? Is it because you did something in the past because then half the SF TDs could be fecked out of the country. If a person commits a crime then they should be tried and if convicted then sentenced. The consensus here seems to be lets skip the trial and conviction. Who in this situation gets to be judge and jury?
 

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No way. A lot of those released from Gitmo have later been involved in terror attacks.
 

Spanner Island

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The fact that the government could take your passport ( whether born here or because of the grand parent rule) off you because they deem you a threat to the state for some future imagined crime is a dangerous precedent to set. How does one judge a person a threat to the state? Is it because you did something in the past because then half the SF TDs could be fecked out of the country. If a person commits a crime then they should be tried and if convicted then sentenced. The consensus here seems to be lets skip the trial and conviction. Who in this situation gets to be judge and jury?
I'm not arguing that people born and bred here can be deported.

You can't make someone stateless so it wouldn't be possible to do that.

I am arguing that anyone abroad who has been convicted of committing serious crimes (crimes to be specified) and who may be eligible for Irish citizenship due to their parents or grandparents having come from Ireland should automatically lose that eligibility and should be refused an Irish passport.

It's quite simple really. The US does it in their INS system. If you've a conviction don't even bother applying because you won't get in.
 

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It's a pity he didn't get to enter the country for the gay pride march. He's have had a great time telling everyone where to go. Fires of hell, stones and other imagery I suppose.
Still a bob is a bob in this economy wha!
 

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The fact that the government could take your passport ( whether born here or because of the grand parent rule) off you because they deem you a threat to the state for some future imagined crime is a dangerous precedent to set. How does one judge a person a threat to the state? Is it because you did something in the past because then half the SF TDs could be fecked out of the country. If a person commits a crime then they should be tried and if convicted then sentenced. The consensus here seems to be lets skip the trial and conviction. Who in this situation gets to be judge and jury?
That's called prophylactic legislation.

It's already implemented in the state - firearms licensing depends on whether you are judged a threat to yourself or others. Gardai are judge and jury in this area.

Expect more of this.
 

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Here is a riddle.

A man who is so misogynistic and homophobic that he joined a movement that killed women for even looking out of a window walks into a building with a fat cheque book.
What's the first thing he buys?

What's the first thing he buys?…..............................................

Everyone there is the answer. If your not sickened by this then your very jaded.
 

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When the above* and the below collide there can only be one winner.


* Taliban, the crowd John travelled half way round the world to risk his life for, cut her nose cause she ran away from her husband. Now I'm just a cis white working class male but I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. You might do the same but what do you know. Random observation about the Taliban.
 

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I hope Eoin and Lynn can find the time to meet him at the airport, accompanied by the new 'lord' mayor of course. They'll fix him up on the housing list in no time and introduce him to their comrades in Clonskeagh. He might want to avoid holidaying in Egypt, though.
 

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I hope Eoin and Lynn can find the time to meet him at the airport, accompanied by the new 'lord' mayor of course. They'll fix him up on the housing list in no time and introduce him to their comrades in Clonskeagh. He might want to avoid holidaying in Egypt, though.
I'd call him a Fascist but to be honest I am half knackered from having people arguing that point.

Nobody will be lining up to welcome him because he is a Mr. Poopy Pants. Reckon we all can agree to that term.
 

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oliver reed moved to Ireland after this ..

 

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You should not be allowed to stop an Irish citizen from coming to Ireland. If he is a genuine security risk then he can be arrested and tried, do you want to set a precedent where the government can decide what Irish citizens are allowed to live here?
ehh, don't give them citizenship in the first place, don't let them in, it is clearly a case by case job,,

Reality is not some "human rights" boll1xology, that's what cost us billions of euro with the anchor baby scam until the 2003 referendum,, reality is dealing with what is in front of you, not what some eejit thought-police thinks it should be.
 

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He was a member of the taliban ffs no way should he be allowed sanctuary here.
Well at least this terrorist might be paying his own airfare instead of getting a lift off the Irish 'navy'.
 

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The intersection of oppression and victimhood is striking. First as a cis white male John was part of the oppression. Then as a convert to a non majority faith he experienced an insight how his former identity construct was now a tool to opress him.

However, he bravely responded and took up a gun and joined men who built a state that hanged women and men and raped boys and girls so all in all such a complex life and worth reflecting on . Poor John was in Gitmo and experienced oppression first hand.
Really hope he comes here.
 

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Here is where he should be placed and shot if he ever leaves the Island!

https://******/maps/XnXc51jAfxF2
You oppose him now because he is a far right extremist who fought with the signature side for misogny but something tells me you could be persuaded to change your tune.

Would a conversation with Mr. Ben Franklin help?
 

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