James Connolly: the anti immigrant?

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Mass immigration? You are making points Connolly never made.


I am aware that you are trying to co-opt Connolly as a fellow-traveller, but you simply havent read him in sufficient detail, or have a sound enough grasp of his thought, to do so.
I'm very well aware of Connolly's work. He was a Socialist, and Socialists believe in controlled borders. He also believed that the Irish are a race, who's national integrity should be protected. Mass immigration is a direct threat to the integrity of our race, our language and culture, and our economic well being.
 


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I think this has to be seen in the context of the trauma of the World War and the clash between nationalism and internationalism, where socialism and nationalism made uneasy bedfellows.

Far more interesting was Pearse's accusation at the turn of the century that emigrants were traitors to Ireland.
Connolly also said that the immigrants coming here from England were traitors to England.
 

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I think this has to be seen in the context of the trauma of the World War and the clash between nationalism and internationalism, where socialism and nationalism made uneasy bedfellows.

Far more interesting was Pearse's accusation at the turn of the century that emigrants were traitors to Ireland.
Pearse would prefer that they remained to live on subsistence farms in his Gaelic speaking heaven of Connemara
 

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Pearse would prefer that they remained to live on subsistence farms in his Gaelic speaking heaven of Connemara
Better than being English speaking slaves who are the laughing stock of the world. 26% GDP growth, no less.
 

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Absolutely correct. Hence, why it's in the history forum. Also, are you aware of the current arguments on immigration in this country and the 'debates' on the internet about how 1916 was for pure open borders, regardless? No background checks, etc? Surprisingly, much like the Founding Fathers of American being mythologized into something they weren't, we see the same with the leaders of 1916. They were all not a homogeneous group. Poster sees an interesting topic for a discussion about history. Poster posts it. Other poster puzzled why someone would bring something up from 100 years ago in a history thread.
My next post will be, "Did you know that Rosa Luxemburg was weak on transgender rights?", or "Aristotle- I can't believe he was sexist". Joking aside, I get the point of your post, and I am glad you posted it.
 

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Anyway, any truth in Connoly's claim thousands of English and Scots came to Ireland and displaced Irishmen from their jobs?
 

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It belonged to those who wrote and published it.
It was Connolly's leaflet alright and the go-between was probably Albert Liebes Altman who was known as the 'Jewish Fenian'. Altman was a member of the Land League and in 1901 was elected for the Usher's Quay ward. The ISRP did not contest Usher's Quay but Connolly contested the neighbouring Wood Quay ward. Both Usher's Quay and Wood Quay contained large numbers of Jews.
 

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It was Connolly's leaflet alright and the go-between was probably Albert Liebes Altman who was known as the 'Jewish Fenian'. Altman was a member of the Land League and in 1901 was elected for the Usher's Quay ward. The ISRP did not contest Usher's Quay but Connolly contested the neighbouring Wood Quay ward. Both Usher's Quay and Wood Quay contained large numbers of Jews.
None of that says it was Connolly's leaflet. Some Lefties have a strange urge to relate everything to Jews, as if only Jews can grant legitimacy. I'm sure Connolly wasn't particularly against Jews, but I'm very sure he would not have wanted a mass exodus of Jews, or any other foreigners, to Ireland.
 

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None of that says it was Connolly's leaflet. Some Lefties have a strange urge to relate everything to Jews, as if only Jews can grant legitimacy. I'm sure Connolly wasn't particularly against Jews, but I'm very sure he would not have wanted a mass exodus of Jews, or any other foreigners, to Ireland.
If you have evidence that it is not Connolly's leaflet you should publish it in a journal instead of distorting facts behind the cloak of anonymity.
 

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If you have evidence that it is not Connolly's leaflet you should publish it in a journal instead of distorting facts behind the cloak of anonymity.

The article you posted claimed that it was Connolly's Yiddish Leaflet, and yet it presented no evidence at all that Connolly commissioned the leaflet, or even knew it existed. It seems the title is then misleading - perhaps more concerned with gaining attention than presenting the known facts.
 

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Anyway, any truth in Connoly's claim thousands of English and Scots came to Ireland and displaced Irishmen from their jobs?

A lot of the 1913 scabs came from England. Ex soldiers stationed in Dublin were also given preference in a huge range of businesses including Guinnesses which was biggest employer in city.
 

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The article you posted claimed that it was Connolly's Yiddish Leaflet, and yet it presented no evidence at all that Connolly commissioned the leaflet, or even knew it existed.
"He was the only Irish politician I know of to issue an election leaflet in Yiddish. It was addressed to immigrant and refugee Jewish workers of Dublin in 1902. He wanted to include and respect an important minority in our society."

President unveils Connolly memorial

You could also write to the Irish Times.
 

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From the holdings in the National Library - the handbill issued by the Jewish Social Democrats on behalf of THEIR candidate James Connolly (my emphasis)

Holdings: The Municipal Elections January 15th 1902.

Connolly's election address from the election the following year 1903

https://www.marxists.org/archive/connolly/1903/01/woodquay.htm
Again nothing here suggests that Connolly commissioned that leaflet or even knew about it. But, it's good to see that Connolly relates Socialism to our native Gaelic Clanns - and not to open borders.
 

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"He was the only Irish politician I know of to issue an election leaflet in Yiddish. It was addressed to immigrant and refugee Jewish workers of Dublin in 1902. He wanted to include and respect an important minority in our society."

President unveils Connolly memorial

You could also write to the Irish Times.

That would probably be enough to have him attacked as a Zionist now, and denied a "platform", his meetings disrupted by student brats, and perhaps even to have his head bashed in by LOI hooligans?
 

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"He was the only Irish politician I know of to issue an election leaflet in Yiddish. It was addressed to immigrant and refugee Jewish workers of Dublin in 1902. He wanted to include and respect an important minority in our society."

President unveils Connolly memorial

You could also write to the Irish Times.
What the fúck would that Oligarch sock puppet Mary Robinson know about James Connolly? She probably saw the misleading title of the article you posted and just accepted it on face value - as you have done.
 


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