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James Reilly meets with NAMA


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James Reilly and some of his officials met with NAMA in April of this year. This would've been after a site for Balbriggan was chosen by the HSE, but before Balbriggan was chosen. Balbriggan subsequently made it onto a list of 35 sites despite being #44 on the list. They discussed various topics including Primary Care Centers, during which Balbriggan was mentioned.... but not any specific address.

Here's a response to a PQ from Pierce Doherty (SF):

My officials and I met once this year with NAMA on 20 April 2012. Within its commercial remit NAMA advises that it is at all times open to proposals which can contribute to the achievement of broader social and economic objectives.
In this context many issues of interest to the health services were discussed. A record of the meeting shows that a number of PCC locations were discussed, including Balbriggan. However, no specific address was mentioned.
Reilly discussed Balbriggan as location for primary care centre with NAMA

From namawinelake who had the story yesterday:

“Deputy Joe Higgins should note that the site is under the control of NAMA and that, as a consequence, Mr. Murphy does not gain. NAMA gains if there is any gain. NAMA represents the people in trying to get back the moneys that were lost.” Minister for Heath James Reilly in Dail debate on 3rd October, 2012
Health minister James Reilly discussed Balbriggan site with NAMA in April 2012 « NAMA Wine Lake

From the NAMA site:

Under Section 221 of the NAMA Act, it is an offence to attempt to lobby NAMA. An officer or Board member of NAMA is obliged to report any such attempt to a member of the Garda Síochána and failure to do so is itself an offence.
Offence to Lobby NAMA - National Asset Management Agency


Is this the last straw for those that have supported him in both Fine Gael and Labour?

Will Enda Kenny and Eamon Gilmore continue to back this man or do they now have to face up to the fact that he is not only a liability to the DoH, but also to their leadership?

Reference: These links appeared on the "O'Reilly/Sunday Times" thread.
 
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It comes down to who knew what? It be interesting to see who the officials were who met with NAMA besides Reilly? You'd also have to wonder whether Roisin knew about this meeting? More to the point did Enda or Gilmore have any prior knowledge that this meeting was due to or had taken place?

I find it extremely hard to believe that a delegation from the DoHC would meet with NAMA and discuss a number of PCC locations without discussing possible sites that would be on their portfolio. This section of Reilly's PQ response is also particularly interesting;

Within its commercial remit NAMA advises that it is at all times open to proposals which can contribute to the achievement of broader social and economic objectives.
Now you'd have to wonder what kind of commerical proposals did Reilly and his officials put to NAMA at that meeting?
 

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It comes down to who knew what? It be interesting to see who the officials were who met with NAMA besides Reilly? You'd also have to wonder whether Roisin knew about this meeting? More to the point did Enda or Gilmore have any prior knowledge that this meeting was due to or had taken place?

I find it extremely hard to believe that a delegation from the DoHC would meet with NAMA and discuss a number of PCC locations without discussing possible sites that would be on their portfolio. This section of Reilly's PQ response is also particularly interesting;



Now you'd have to wonder what kind of commerical proposals did Reilly and his officials put to NAMA at that meeting?
Many questions alright. I'm puzzled as to why Balbriggan was mentioned at all at the meeting. At that point it was #44 on the list. Is Mr Reilly suggesting they discussed all the PCCs on the list.

Or were they discussing the Balbriggan site because he had a good idea at some point in the future.... it would find it's way into the top 35.
 

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wasn't he a clever sneaky Lenhan to make both lobbying NAMA and NAMA not reporting lobbying an offence

if the lobbied NAMA staff member does not report it (because for example it was an overweight Minister - just speculating) then it is in both their interest to deny that any lobbying occurred.
 

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Many questions alright. I'm puzzled as to why Balbriggan was mentioned at all at the meeting. At that point it was #44 on the list. Is Mr Reilly suggesting they discussed all the PCCs on the list.

Or were they discussing the Balbriggan site because he had a good idea at some point in the future.... it would find it's way into the top 35.
He met with NAMA in April, and in June 2012 he was able to tell the Fingal Independent that he's "very pleased to say the one in Balbriggan is running ahead and we hope to have some news on that in the not-too-distant future,". In that interview he also told reporters that "there are negotiations going on and it’s down to price now and who knows the price of anything these days." It then turns out that the HSE picks Rhonellan developments as the preferred bidder to develop a PCC in Balbriggan, but the one complication is that Murphy who is in NAMA actually owns the lands that AJ Noonan is looking to develop upon. Then we have the list of 35 PCC locations which happened to see Balbriggan being bumped up the list as a result of Reilly adding 15 more locations to the HSE's original 20.

It's such a pity that NAMA isn't subject to FOI. Having said that, I presume that the delegation from the HSE and DoHC (one would expect they were the officials) would have minuted the meeting. If not, one would think that they would have received a copy of the minutes.
 

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wasn't he a clever sneaky Lenhan to make both lobbying NAMA and NAMA not reporting lobbying an offence

if the lobbied NAMA staff member does not report it (because for example it was an overweight Minister - just speculating) then it is in both their interest to deny that any lobbying occurred.
Full protection for the whistleblowers ;) nothing to see here...
 

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As the NWL site succinctly points out - how the hell did Reilly know about the loan status. To me, that is a clear indication that something is rotten
 

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He met with NAMA in April, and in June 2012 he was able to tell the Fingal Independent that he's "very pleased to say the one in Balbriggan is running ahead and we hope to have some news on that in the not-too-distant future,". In that interview he also told reporters that "there are negotiations going on and it’s down to price now and who knows the price of anything these days." It then turns out that the HSE picks Rhonellan developments as the preferred bidder to develop a PCC in Balbriggan, but the one complication is that Murphy who is in NAMA actually owns the lands that AJ Noonan is looking to develop upon. Then we have the list of 35 PCC locations which happened to see Balbriggan being bumped up the list as a result of Reilly adding 15 more locations to the HSE's original 20.

It's such a pity that NAMA isn't subject to FOI. Having said that, I presume that the delegation from the HSE and DoHC (one would expect they were the officials) would have minuted the meeting. If not, one would think that they would have received a copy of the minutes.
There may be minutes to the meeting. But we might need a logistical logarithmic progression decoder to read them :) That would be way above us mere mortals. Reilly is snookered here. Why was Balbriggan mentioned at the meeting if it was #44 on the list ?
 

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There may be minutes to the meeting. But we might need a logistical logarithmic progression decoder to read them :) That would be way above us mere mortals. Reilly is snookered here. Why was Balbriggan mentioned at the meeting if it was #44 on the list ?
Cos, it's possible that he intended to bump Balbriggan up that list back in April....and I'll prefix that by saying it's purely conjecture :rolleyes:! Rhonellan only has until the end of Oct to submit his planning application under the conditions of the letter of intent.
 

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Mr Gilmore seems happy enough, "he has no wish to track the meetings held by Health Minister James Reilly in relation to proposals to build a primary care centre in his own constituency."

Tánaiste: I don't want to 'track' Health Minister » Roscommon Herald
How does Gilmore reconcile today's reluctance with the assurances he sought and received, from Reilly and his officials, earlier this month?

Gilmore grills Reilly over care sites | Irish Examiner

Mr Gilmore met Dr Reilly, the department’s secretary general, and the new CEO of the HSE, after telling Taoiseach Enda Kenny he wanted assurances on the matter following two weeks of pressure on Dr Reilly to answer queries.

It emerged this week that a care centre in Balbriggan, north Dublin, was given the go-ahead on the land of a long-time Fine Gael member while Dr Reilly was minister. This followed the resignation of junior health minister Róisín Shortall, who accused Dr Reilly of engaging in "stroke politics".

Mr Gilmore told the Dáil after the meeting yesterday that he had been given guarantees that there was no ministerial involvement in the selection of the sites.

He said: "With regard all the allegations, implications and so on that somehow there was political interference in it, as I said, I met today with the minister, Deputy Reilly, the secretary general of his department, [and] the new CEO of the HSE and they told me directly that there was no ministerial involvement in the selection of any individual site."
 

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Cos, it's possible that he intended to bump Balbriggan up that list back in April....and I'll prefix that by saying it's purely conjecture :rolleyes:! Rhonellan only has until the end of Oct to submit his planning application under the conditions of the letter of intent.
Nothing there as yet.... I pass the site every day.
 

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So Reilly last week was out to line his friends pockets - now after some research we find out the property is in NAMA - so instead of promoting property belonging to his friends (which Reilly said he was not and now shown as legit) the new campaign is to do him for lobbying NAMA

Bloody hell - The likes of SF and the opposition should see about selling all this Hot Air they create to the national grid.
 

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How does Gilmore reconcile today's reluctance with the assurances he sought and received, from Reilly and his officials, earlier this month?

Gilmore grills Reilly over care sites | Irish Examiner
I would wonder if Gilmore and Labour knew this was coming. If they knew they may have played it differently. As it stands now it's becoming increasingly clear what Reilly was at. The saga of the Balbriggan PCC is like an inverse Lemony Snicket.... "A Series of Fortunate Events".... that happened to end up with a PCC on his friend's site :)

I think this puts renewed pressure not just on Reilly, but also on Gilmore and Kenny..... particularly Gilmore. There's already structures forming within Labour to move Gilmore. This will just provide more grease for the rails....
 

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Is this builder, a long-time Fine Gael member and a "NAMA" builder now? *edit

Frank Daly did mention before that cash incentives will be given to certain developers for paying back their loans.
 
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So Reilly last week was out to line his friends pockets - now after some research we find out the property is in NAMA - so instead of promoting property belonging to his friends (which Reilly said he was not and now shown as legit) the new campaign is to do him for lobbying NAMA

Bloody hell - The likes of SF and the opposition should see about selling all this Hot Air they create to the national grid.
Congratulations.... you're the first.
 

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Mr Gilmore told the Dáil after the meeting yesterday that he had been given guarantees that there was no ministerial involvement in the selection of the sites.

He said: "With regard all the allegations, implications and so on that somehow there was political interference in it, as I said, I met today with the minister, Deputy Reilly, the secretary general of his department, [and] the new CEO of the HSE and they told me directly that there was no ministerial involvement in the selection of any individual site."

Surely that should be assurance enough for anyone? One fat pimp wouldn't lie to another fat pimp..... now would he?
 

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Is this builder, long-time Fine Gael member, a "NAMA" builder now?

Frank Daly did mention before that cash incentives will be given to certain developers for paying back their loans.
The builder and site owner are two different entities. The site owner has loans in NAMA but I don't think the builder has. The site owner is a long time FG member, not sure about the builder.... Either the builder or his company gave a donation to Lucinda Creighton's election campaign in 2007.
 

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He met with NAMA in April, and in June 2012 he was able to tell the Fingal Independent that he's "very pleased to say the one in Balbriggan is running ahead and we hope to have some news on that in the not-too-distant future,".
According to a link in namawinelake, he met with the HSE on April 30th:

Minister Reilly (along with Tom O’Leary and others) met with the chairs of the regional health fora in the HSE where, amongst other items:

“The roll out of new primary care centres (buildings) was also
discussed at the meeting and the Minister gave a brief outline of his
determination to deliver on the programme for government in relation
to Primary Care Centres in the community.”

Dr. Bill Tormey, Dublin North West Fine Gael; Glasnevin; Finglas; Ballymun; Councillor; DCC » HSE Forums meet Minister Dr Reilly
and:

May 2012 Minister Reilly’s parliamentary assistant Councillor Tom O’Leary tells local newspaper, the Fingal Independent “The HSE are positively supportive of the plan. I have made representations to the appropriate authorities to move the plan forward. I understand the local doctors and the developer are anxious to submit their planning application as soon as possible”
The health minister, the owner, the developer, the development, the HSE and NAMA « NAMA Wine Lake
 
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